Far Right v Far Left (or not as the case might be!)

[Omegstrat6]

As posted previously, the original creators of the internet were well aware of its potential for harm (propaganda, spreading of mis-information, hate etc) but decided that, on balance, it's benefits (the free and easier sharing of knowledge and information eg) outweighed such concerns. As with the "real world" outside the realm outside of cyberspace, they had to wrestle with the balancing of policing the system v the principle of freedom of speech/thought.

Unlike authoritarian regimes (Russia, Iran, China) the UK has evolved a series of laws to help protect our freedoms such us our Equality legislation. I might personally question the one around religion (as this is not an inherent characteristic) but does anyone on here not believe that people should be protected under law for their age, ***, colour of skin or disability which are all things they cannot change about themselves?

No-one wants to see Big Brother policing of the internet or Social Media but that surely doesn't mean that people can post what they like? I'm confused. Does this mean that those so concerned about rumoured government intervention in Social Media (mainly because the tech companies cannot keep their own houses in order) do not believe that influencers like Andrew Tate are dangerous? That social media is not used by right wing racists to spread hatred or incite violence, or by foreign states (e.g. Russia) to help ferment unrest, or by criminal gangs to lure people into scams, or by minority extremists of all stripes to push their agendas whether woke or right wing, or by Islamic extremists seeking to recruit, or by grooming gangs? Or simply by keyboard warriors of any stripe who push hatred or incite violence or even unthinking individuals who partake in body shaming or the cyber bullying of others. Are we saying that all of this is OK then? That just because things are on the internet that they cannot be classed as criminal acts?

Until far more people are capable of a bit more critical thinking and accepting of open debate rather than simple gain saying then we will continue down this slippery slope and our over tolerance will be our downfall. We accept the need for policing in the "real world" so why not the cyber world? The moot point is that such policing should be there to protect our freedoms not erode them.

[WBA123]

You know Zip about Farage. You only know what the left have told you. Watch the video I posted earlier and tell me any one thing he said that isn’t true. He even states that many immigrants have done a lot of good for the country and distances himself completely from the Tommy robinsons of this world. Follow the leftist narrative and of course he’s a fascist racist who is behind all the trouble. It’s a great copout for taking the blame off being really slack and weak regarding border control.

Haha, this made me chuckle.

Here's what I do know...

I know he's made this country comfortably worse off by influencing millions to vote for Brexit. I know he exasperated the Southport situation by suggesting the police were withholding information about the attacker (who was under 18 and so only a judge in court would be able to release his name). I know he is back peddling now and distancing himself from the likes of Andrew Tate & Tommy Robinson because his personal ratings have dropped since the rioting has started happening.

I know he is a good orator, which is why millions listen to the bollox he spouts. I know he is not to be trusted and he is not credible. And his economic knowledge and foresight is awful (see Brexit and Reform's latest manifesto).

Is all of the above enough knowledge for you?

And I should mention, I don't listen to conmen so I actively avoid listening to Farage. You do you, if you think he's telling you what you want to hear.

[mickd1961]

Haha, this made me chuckle.

Here's what I do know...

I know he's made this country comfortably worse off by influencing millions to vote for Brexit. I know he exasperated the Southport situation by suggesting the police were withholding information about the attacker (who was under 18 and so only a judge in court would be able to release his name). I know he is back peddling now and distancing himself from the likes of Andrew Tate & Tommy Robinson because his personal ratings have dropped since the rioting has started happening.

I know he is a good orator, which is why millions listen to the bollox he spouts. I know he is not to be trusted and he is not credible. And his economic knowledge and foresight is awful (see Brexit and Reform's latest manifesto).

Is all of the above enough knowledge for you?

And I should mention, I don't listen to conmen so I actively avoid listening to Farage. You do you, if you think he's telling you what you want to hear.

Your final paragraph explains in full why you yourself have no credibility.

Thanks for finally confirming that.

[Omegstrat6]

My own feelings on Farage run very similarly to 123's -but that doesn't mean that I cannot see why some of what he says appeals to people. He is vocal about some issues (immigration levels as an example) that many are genuinely -and I would say rightly-concerned about. It is his interpretation of such issues that I disagree with.

I try and listen to even people whose views I generally strongly disagree with because how else am I going to be able to try and find the "truth" about them-words from the horse's mouth can be more accurate than second/third hand reporting. Primary sources rather than the interpretation of others as historians might put it.

Of course I have my own prejudices and biases like everyone and they can be difficult to shake, but I try and keep an open mind and find out as much as I can about a subject before drawing conclusions. Doesn't make me right by any means but at least I know I've made a bit of an effort to better understand and, as Mick mentioned in an earlier thread, things are generally various shades of grey and very rarely black&white.

Maybe it is a generational thing but at least most on this forum are prepared to debate issues even though there are differences of opinion (particularly as regards politics!) and not too much falling out over it. Can only be a good thing surely.

Still, QPR tomorrow so I'm sure politics will take more of a back seat as the season gets underway!

[baggieal]

Haha, this made me chuckle.

Here's what I do know...

I know he's made this country comfortably worse off by influencing millions to vote for Brexit. I know he exasperated the Southport situation by suggesting the police were withholding information about the attacker (who was under 18 and so only a judge in court would be able to release his name). I know he is back peddling now and distancing himself from the likes of Andrew Tate & Tommy Robinson because his personal ratings have dropped since the rioting has started happening.

I know he is a good orator, which is why millions listen to the bollox he spouts. I know he is not to be trusted and he is not credible. And his economic knowledge and foresight is awful (see Brexit and Reform's latest manifesto).

Is all of the above enough knowledge for you?

And I should mention, I don't listen to conmen so I actively avoid listening to Farage. You do you, if you think he's telling you what you want to hear.

What complete bollox! Is Lauren Edwards sacked yet for her absolutely disgusting filth that came out of her mouth? Is that Labour councillor jailed yet for inciting murder? Had these two examples been people protesting about illegal immigration the book would have been thrown at them!

Two Tier Kier and at least Farage has charisma unlike the wooden Keir!

[WBA123]

What complete bollox! Is Lauren Edwards sacked yet for her absolutely disgusting filth that came out of her mouth? Is that Labour councillor jailed yet for inciting murder? Had these two examples been people protesting about illegal immigration the book would have been thrown at them!

Two Tier Kier and at least Farage has charisma unlike the wooden Keir!

The Labour councillor has been charged, and rightly so.

But we're not talking about him, we're talking about Farage. I admit he's a good talker, that's about all of his redeeming features. I'm shocked he's still relevant. The guy is a snake.

[baggieal]

The Labour councillor has been charged, and rightly so.

But we're not talking about him, we're talking about Farage. I admit he's a good talker, that's about all of his redeeming features. I'm shocked he's still relevant. The guy is a snake.

Presume two tier kier will sack Edwards as you can’t have inconsistencies? Back to Farage - not my cup of tea but I like how the guy speaks his mind like Braverman and he had millions of votes ( more than the lib lemons ). Don’t like Trump but hey half of the USA love him including many big corporations and professionals. Whoever and wherever people vote should be respected.

Hope Patel leads the Tories as she’s tough and can’t be called racist for her views on illegal
Immigration which will upset the white wokes!

I would rather have a pint with Farage than one with two tier kier and fall asleep 😴

[mickd1961]

Presume two tier kier will sack Edwards as you can’t have inconsistencies? Back to Farage - not my cup of tea but I like how the guy speaks his mind like Braverman and he had millions of votes ( more than the lib lemons ). Don’t like Trump but hey half of the USA love him including many big corporations and professionals. Whoever and wherever people vote should be respected.

Hope Patel leads the Tories as she’s tough and can’t be called racist for her views on illegal
Immigration which will upset the white wokes!

I would rather have a pint with Farage than one with two tier kier and fall asleep 😴

Braverman is an idiot AL…..she should engage her brain before opening her mouth but I don’t think she’s capable of that.

I actually think she’s a horrible piece of work.

I don’t like Kemi Badenock either.

Pritti Patel is to gaffe prone, she’s had more changes of career direction than you!

For me James Cleverley is the best of a p I s s poor bunch.

[baggieal]

Braverman is an idiot AL…..she should engage her brain before opening her mouth but I don’t think she’s capable of that.

I actually think she’s a horrible piece of work.

I don’t like Kemi Badenock either.

Pritti Patel is to gaffe prone, she’s had more changes of career direction than you!

For me James Cleverley is the best of a p I s s poor bunch.

Never said Braverman was good only a big tick for speaking her mind. Rather have Patel than Cleverley but all useless! That said Labour are no better with two tier kier and Rayner - Jesus which school did she go too?

[Leicesterbaggie]

Never said Braverman was good only a big tick for speaking her mind. Rather have Patel than Cleverley but all useless! That said Labour are no better with two tier kier and Rayner - Jesus which school did she go too?

Did she actually go to school?