o/t global warming

[swaledale]

says you.

Human CO2 production pales in comparison with nature. 1 volcano can outstrip anything we produce.
No one denies the climate changes, yet to say the human race has tipped us into doom territory is unproven and over stated,

The point was, 50 years ago, the scientists were raging the northern hemisphere, is plummetting into another ice age of mile thick ice covering it. They were wrong.
Thats the crux of it. The current mania has money making schemes written all over it.
Clean up the planet, of course. But the current insanity is off the charts.

If the world really wants to lower CO2, then stop chopping down trees across the world, without adequate re planting schemes.
Trees love CO2.

No the vast majority of the world's scientists agree and the temperature data showing increases for the earth year on year demonstrates this irrevocably. But close your eyes and believe the BS, without I guess wondering who is behind the anti climate change agenda?

I'd not argue that some of the approaches are out of kilter, but then you know some scientists said tobacco caused cancer way back in the '50's and vested interests ensured that wasn't acknowledge for decades.

[MadAmster]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

[Andy_Faber]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

We have it rammed down our throats by the media believe me. One of the BBC?s (I refer to BBC because I watch it most) five cornerstone causes. But it?s not government-sanctioned info albeit it?s mostly fact, albeit arguably slanted fact

As a matter of interest ( not just you MA) on a scale of 1-10 where do we all think we are regarding our awareness of the issue and commitment to the cause? I?d put myself at 7/10 awareness, 5/10 commitment - and there are lots of contradictions, eg my current car is 24 years old and 9 times recycled and ULEZ compliant BUT it does about 20mpg. Any I fly maybe 8 times a year but I recycle diligently (according to council rules). So contradictions there

[Geoff Parkstone]

Awareness I'd say is high, 9/10 in first world economies, less so in third world. Different economies / countries have very different levels of commitment though, and even within countries there is no harmony of approach. Typically 3/10 I reckon

[ramAnag]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

I think you’re right, MA and the term climate change has superseded and is far more appropriate than global warming.

It’s almost impossible to claim a lack of awareness because it has, rightly, been a high profile issue amongst our more responsible news providers for probably two decades now.

Unfortunately we haven’t learned many lessons and, at a personal level, my sense of awareness is only equalled by my sense of helplessness.
After all does it make any difference at all what you and I, or our respective national populations, do when the U.S, Russia, China, Indonesia, South Africa, India and Australia carry on on their merry way?

[MadAmster]

On a personal level, 8 on awareness, 5 on commitment.

Just shelled out 10K on HR++ windows, 5K on 7 solar panels, looking at underfloor insulation which will be another 3K. Did look at cavity wall insulation but, living in a middle of the row terrace, I only have external walls front and back, I estimate a good 60% of the wall area is glass. No idea what the insulation itself would cost but, under Dutch conservation Law I'd have to have a check, carried out over several months, to ensure there were no birds or bats nesting in the cavities and that costs around 6K so we won't be doing that. Having a new gas central heating and hot water boiler (gas because electric ones are banned here) put in which will be another 3K. It is, however, far more efficient then the current 18 year old one and will use 25% less gas. Looked at warm water pumps as well. Including drilling down God knows how far etc it would be 40K to 50K. They were going to be compulsory from this year for every CH boiler replacement but the new government has pushed that back to 2027. If they hadn't moved the date we'd have done it last year.... We don't have 50K lying around so we'd have to get a mortgage or other loan. As I'm 71 next month and 'er indoors almost 60, good luck on that.

Flying? Probably more than I should. UK half a dozen times a year, Fuerteventura between 2 and 4 times a year. However, as long as the skies are full of private jets running on tax free kerosene clocking up millions of miles a year with very few passengers on board, I'm not going to curtail my flights.

Car? 13 years old and does 32mpg. I do about 5000km a year.

I could probably do more on this but I feel I am, and have been doing, more than my fair share. Then you look at some other lands where they are doing anything but help the situation and I'm happy with my contribution. China could be castigated for the number of coal fired power stations they currently use and also the large number of new ones under construction, however, they also seem to be leading the way on sustainables and should be fully over by about 2060.

Here in NL we seem to be trying to be teacher's pet and introducing Laws forcing people to spend 10s of thousands they don't have on measures half the country don't even think are necessary. What happens then is we fall behind schedule on "green" things and the government gets taken to court by any one of a number of environmental groups and the judges rule against the government forcing them to speed up things, costing ever more taxpayer money. The latest is that to fund all the crap as well as sorting out the various government caused crises for which billions in compensation still has to be paid, VAT is being increased in April.

[SithHappens]

In the grand scheme of things what we do won't make any difference to the planet. If the lifetime of our planet was a 24 hour clock, its roughly noon now. We have been around since about 11.59am and most likely be around till about 12.01pm.

What we do now will determine how comfortable those living after us are. It's the immediate future I think we can impact. Once we are gone the planet will be fine,its going to get hotter and hotter naturally, we almost delude ourselves how significant we are.

The label Global warming was a mistake and while it's now climate change people still associate it with warming.

For me the message Global pollution might have a bigger impact, you only have to look at slip roads etc to know a sizeable proportion of the population don't give a ****.

Technically though we are still in an iceage and in a warming spell where naturally glaciers etc melt.

Doesn't mean we should say well it would happen anyway, that's why Global pollution would be a better message, let's at least try our best to have a clean and healthy planet to live on during our very brief tenure.

[Trickytreesreds]

Bonkers beyond belief, though Milliband is probabaly masturbating furiously. 300 years of coal under this nation https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ZgXDh2Snoq1BmQ

[MadAmster]

What is bonkers is that they made ?500M "profit" in a 6 month period, mainly due to ?400M in subsidy and thought it reasonable to pay ?300M out in shareholder dividends.

Basically the taxpayer is paying the dividend.

It's as daft as the water Companies whose backlog in maintenance and repairs will cost roughly the same as they've paid out in dividends over the past couple of decades. That is exactly the time scale wherein this backlog was created and has grown. They have been, and still are, paying dividends rather than carry out repairs and maintenance. That, in any sensible world, would be both immoral and illegal, In today's look after the rich at any price world, it's not either... except to the few of us who still have a proper moral compass.

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh the irony, does Milliband know or care?