O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

No.

Yes

[ragingpup]

I did, my dear, but the country voted to leave.

That's not the point. Why be so passionate about how awful it is to be subject to eu standards and laws when you were perfectly happy with them when voting Remain?

Surely better to say 'on balance I am happy to be subject to eu laws on balance of a tariff free trading arrangement that benefits UK industry but I am happy to respect the referendum result and support Johnston' s deal'. Instead, you're arguing as you a Brexiteer despite having voted against them. Weird.

[KerrAvon]

I dont quite get Skinners logic. Is there something within Johnsons withdrawal agreement that says the Tories will scrap workers rights?

I think its more about the outcome of Northern Working Class voters siding with Tory millionaire Neoliberals. They are not getting what they thought a leave vote would deliver.

No there isn't anything in the deal about the erosion of worker's rights. It merely provides that the UK Parliament will take back responsibility for legislating on that area of law when we leave the EU and no longer send
MEPs to Brussels and Strasbourg.

[Exiletyke]

No there isn't anything in the deal about the erosion of worker's rights. It merely provides that the UK Parliament will take back responsibility for legislating on that area of law when we leave the EU and no longer send
MEPs to Brussels and Strasbourg.

I think you miss the point
Skinner recognises I think the chances of a Labour gov't in the forseeable future as being slim
which leaves the fate of workers rights firmly in the hands of the Tories in future thus Dennis choosing the best of the two evils

[KerrAvon]

That's not the point. Why be so passionate about how awful it is to be subject to eu standards and laws when you were perfectly happy with them when voting Remain?

Surely better to say 'on balance I am happy to be subject to eu laws on balance of a tariff free trading arrangement that benefits UK industry but I am happy to respect the referendum result and support Johnston' s deal'. Instead, you're arguing as you a Brexiteer despite having voted against them. Weird.

I'm passionate about not being subjected to laws over which I have no prospect of exercising any democratic control. I thought that pretty clear from my posts.

You and Labour are happy to allow us to be subject to laws over which we will have no democratic control. That's fine, but I don't agree with you and won't, no matter how you dress it up.

[Exiletyke]

I'm passionate about not being subjected to laws over which I have no prospect of exercising any democratic control. I thought that pretty clear from my posts.

You and Labour are happy to allow us to be subject to laws over which we will have no democratic control. That's fine, but I don't agree with you and won't, no matter how you dress it up.

Kerr
Do you honestlly [& I know honestly is not a word you respect] believe that we as a member have had much influence on matters in the EU I don't think we have hence the vote to leave The British public has had a bellyful of the EU & its rules hence the vote to leave

[KerrAvon]

Kerr
Do you honestlly [& I know honestly is not a word you respect] believe that we as a member have had much influence on matters in the EU I don't think we have hence the vote to leave The British public has had a bellyful of the EU & its rules hence the vote to leave

You sometimes take it too far, Lover. Some posters will actually start to believe that you don't like me.

As an individual, of course I have not had much influence on either domestic or EU politics, but democracy doesn't really work on individual voices. Like everyone else who chooses to vote, I've expressed views upon who I want as my MP, which in turn feeds into a choice upon who should be in government, which then affects British policy in the EU. I've also taken part in the election of MEPs.

[Exiletyke]

Didn't seem to work for the 17+ million individuals did it?

[KerrAvon]

Didn't seem to work for the 17+ million individuals did it?

Iceland only has a population of around 340 000, Zyles.

[KerrAvon]

I think you miss the point
Skinner recognises I think the chances of a Labour gov't in the forseeable future as being slim
which leaves the fate of workers rights firmly in the hands of the Tories in future thus Dennis choosing the best of the two evils

I think Skinner is wrong for the reasons that I have explained, lover.

As we move forward there will undoubtedly be periods of Tory government and periods of Labour government as determined by the votes of the British people.

A party that delivered just six days of paid leave per year as Raging fears, would face the judgement of the electorate on that. That's how democracy works.