Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

Andy says 'I ****ed dozens of women in the 80s and 90s', Donald says 'That's nothing I ****ed hundreds in the 80s, 90s and 2000s'. Nigel proudly sits back and says 'Is that the best you've got?. I ****ed a whole country in one day in 2016'

Wrong thread?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I understand and respect your point Swale, and I imagine it’s the same constabulary - or at least partially - for Hillsborough as it was for Orgreave five years earlier.

Doesn’t reflect well, but the senior officers at the time of Orgreave are likely to be dead or in/approaching their nineties by now and I suspect it’s more likely that the lawyers will get richer than that the truth will be discovered after all that time.

Ideally I think all wrongs and miscarriages of justice should be exposed but practically I’d prefer to see some evidence of progress in the more recent ones, where evidence is comparatively fresh, before we start going back forty plus years.

I am really at a loss to understand the point of this latest enquiry. Let me prefaced by saying that I wasn't living in UK at the time so it means nothing to me in terms of detail or, quite frankly, interest.

I understand it was one of the later skirmishes in breaking the power of the mine workers, but FFS it was 41 years ago. As rA has said most of the participants are likely dead or long since in back seats. It's just a waste of resources which could be spent on something more useful than trying to win points off long dead Thatcher et al.

I wonder what would have been said if someone had launched an enquiry in 1984 into something done in the early 1940s? Or even something way more modern such as the Suez crisis.


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[swaledale]

A fair point, but to really understand what Orgreave means, I think you do have to be closely connected to those that were involved, they still feel that their father's, brothers, Grandfather's etc. were basically attacked deliberately by the Police acting as agents of the state. Its not about winning points off a long dead Thatcher, any more than Hillsborough was about point scoring, its about establishing the truth of what happened in the face of a cover up and media lies.

It is easy to dismiss such an enquiry as irrelevant, If it doesn't affect you or your relatives and community, so I can see why there is a justification for it, just hope it's done properly and quickly.

[ramAnag]

A fair point, but to really understand what Orgreave means, I think you do have to be closely connected to those that were involved, they still feel that their father's, brothers, Grandfather's etc. were basically attacked deliberately by the Police acting as agents of the state. Its not about winning points off a long dead Thatcher, any more than Hillsborough was about point scoring, its about establishing the truth of what happened in the face of a cover up and media lies.

It is easy to dismiss such an enquiry as irrelevant, If it doesn't affect you or your relatives and community, so I can see why there is a justification for it, just hope it's done properly and quickly.

I was thinking about it and do accept your point about the need to clear the reputations of ‘fathers, brothers, grandfathers’ etc.

I think we all have to accept that ‘the past is a different country’ and that the police of the sixties, seventies and eighties were a very different and more sinister beast to today, but you’re probably right…the truth does need to be established although I doubt, on the evidence of other such inquiries, that it will be quick and I hope it doesn’t detract from other more recent public inquiries which, imo, are more important.

[Andy_Faber]

I was thinking about it and do accept your point about the need to clear the reputations of ?fathers, brothers, grandfathers? etc.

I think we all have to accept that ?the past is a different country? and that the police of the sixties, seventies and eighties were a very different and more sinister beast to today, but you?re probably right?the truth does need to be established although I doubt, on the evidence of other such inquiries, that it will be quick and I hope it doesn?t detract from other more recent public inquiries which, imo, are more important.

No ?we? don?t, I think at their extreme the police of today are more ?sinister? either of their own volition or acting under orders.

[ramAnag]

No ?we? don?t, I think at their extreme the police of today are more ?sinister? either of their own volition or acting under orders.

Not sure how you reach that conclusion, but based on three or four ‘encounters’ as a student in the seventies I’ll have to disagree.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Latest news on the subject is that an inquiry has been ordered into the Peterloo Massacre. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has praised PM Starmers decision to order a review of the incident where yeomanry charged protesters killing 18 and injuring hundreds.

The solicitor general is calling for eye witnesses to the massacre which took place under the Tory prime ministership of Robert Jenkinson in 1819 and has remained supressed by the right wing media since then.

[swaledale]

Latest news on the subject is that an inquiry has been ordered into the Peterloo Massacre. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has praised PM Starmers decision to order a review of the incident where yeomanry charged protesters killing 18 and injuring hundreds.

The solicitor general is calling for eye witnesses to the massacre which took place under the Tory prime ministership of Robert Jenkinson in 1819 and has remained supressed by the right wing media since then.

Always good to read your well thought out and reasoned response, but I guess its easy to be flippant about something that one personally has no connection with or indeed any real understanding of the issues.

[MadAmster]

Migrant ***ually assaults a young girl, found guilty, having been in jail awaiting trial for a year, he gets time served. A British woman posted something a tad iffy on social media, deleted it and got 3 and a bit years inside for her trouble.

The two sentences make me wonder just what the hell our judiciary think they're doing.

[ramAnag]

Migrant ***ually assaults a young girl, found guilty, having been in jail awaiting trial for a year, he gets time served. A British woman posted something a tad iffy on social media, deleted it and got 3 and a bit years inside for her trouble.

The two sentences make me wonder just what the hell our judiciary think they're doing.

But, as you say, that’s the judiciary, not the police…and the ‘British woman’ posted something a great deal more than a ‘tad iffy’…she advocated the murder of asylum seekers.