Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

One problem with what our dim red friend is claiming, it wasn't one man, it was a deportation flight. Given Labour seem to ahve been deporting people (16,000 and counting) since taking power without having flights blocked, maybe it was the incompetence of the then Tory government who didn't ensure that all the legal issues regarding those to be deported were in place, rather than blaming the lawyers who quite rightly were challenging illegal actions. After all it shouldn't be beyond the competence of government to achieve what they want to do in accordance with the law.

But then I guess for some people, that doesn't matter, as long of course its not them, their relatives or friends who are suffering the consequences. I mean FFS! lets get the facts straight when making criticisms.

lol, you do realise, that those deported, are either volunteers or serious criminals, that we can send back to their own country now(eg Albania). I suggest you read the daily reports of violent, *** offenders, drug lords who they still cannot touch due to the ECHR. The one who won his case, because his son, would n't be able to get the chicken nuggets he loves, was beyond the stars and a yard stick as how ****ed up the judiciary is. (before you say it, Starmer was an active member in making these things law in the 2000's when he was a barrister). Now he has the cheek to say this nonsense must stop.

For you knowledge from full fact checker-
We don’t know how many of the 18,987 returns under Labour up to 31 January 2025, or the 24,103 returns under Labour up to 22 March 2025, were officially classified as “deportations”.

But we do know that enforced returns—the category of returns that includes deportations—only accounted for a minority of the total, 27% and 26% respectively.

[SithHappens]

Well the Lincolnshire mayor is gormless, talentless, opportunistic self serving idiot who was ousted as Tory MP for a Leeds constituency who will now actually have to do some governing, can't wait to see the mess she makes of that!

The MP for Runcorn is another dumb ex Tory who fortunately doesn't have to do anything other than sit in the House of Commons and follow Farage's orders. I do expect however that she will find that an issue and either cross the floor back to the Tories or be an independent and fade into obscurity.

I'm pleased to see these utter useless ****s elected, they will **** up pretty soon, fall out with each other and basically demonstrate their inability to run a piss up in a brewery. bring it on.

Jenkyns is awful. I know her comments about housing immigrants in tents will be popular with a lot of people, despite it being cruel. Then her pathetic attempt at joking about another candidates south African accent was just painful to watch.

[SithHappens]

Yusuf says hiring should be 'colour blind' and best person for the job.

I 100% agree, and I'm no fan of quotas. There does need to be policies in place though and employers held to account if people are overlooked because of their nationality, colour of their skin, religion, disabilities etc etc

Much as many would like to believe discrimination won't happen, it 100% does and removing protection potentially will only make this worse.

Strip away those protections and employers may see it as consent to pass on the best candidate who just happens to have a medical condition through fear they might require adjustments in the work place.

[Andy_Faber]

Yusuf says hiring should be 'colour blind' and best person for the job.

I 100% agree, and I'm no fan of quotas. There does need to be policies in place though and employers held to account if people are overlooked because of their nationality, colour of their skin, religion, disabilities etc etc

Much as many would like to believe discrimination won't happen, it 100% does and removing protection potentially will only make this worse.

Strip away those protections and employers may see it as consent to pass on the best candidate who just happens to have a medical condition through fear they might require adjustments in the work place.

?.and therein lies (one of) the problem. Historical prejudice (and being a junior member of recruitment panels amongst rampant bigots in the past I have heard some outrageous stuff) gave way some time in the 2010s to the madness of minority-favouring quotas without there ever being a period when there was a fair and equitable middle ground. I think only recently has this started to be exposed/realised.

[SithHappens]

?.and therein lies (one of) the problem. Historical prejudice (and being a junior member of recruitment panels amongst rampant bigots in the past I have heard some outrageous stuff) gave way some time in the 2010s to the madness of minority-favouring quotas without there ever being a period when there was a fair and equitable middle ground. I think only recently has this started to be exposed/realised.

I don't really know how you do it. How does a candidate prove they have been discriminated against? Easier if you are on a role and suffer from it.

[swaledale]

?.and therein lies (one of) the problem. Historical prejudice (and being a junior member of recruitment panels amongst rampant bigots in the past I have heard some outrageous stuff) gave way some time in the 2010s to the madness of minority-favouring quotas without there ever being a period when there was a fair and equitable middle ground. I think only recently has this started to be exposed/realised.

Mm quotas? Never experienced them myself, certainly wherever I've worked and been involved in recruitment, there were efforts to encourage more diverse applicants for jobs and a guarantee that any suitably qualified disabled applicant would be interviewed.

There has also been a move to blind short listing whereby the ethnicity age and gender of applicants weren't know to the short listing panel, it was done purely on qualifications and experience. All of which helped to avoid the inevitable bias that everybody has towards being favourable to people that resemble themselves and who they are familiar with.

Certainly I experienced instances where a firm wanted to recruit a woman because the workforce, management team or board was mostly male. But even where I personally "lost out" or where a woman was recruited, they always had the relevant qualifications and experience.

I don't doubt that some zealots would stretch this in some instances, but closer examination of claims where DEI had resulted in "sub standard recruitment, has not been proven to be true, either in my own personal experience or on closer examination of some of the claims made in certain sections of the media. A point in case being the allegations that the application of DEI had impacted US Air Traffic Control, when its clear that no under qualified or inexperienced applicants had been appointed, but it was and is the case that there had been a recruitment crisis due to low wages coupled with a lack of investment.

I can cite many cases where a white male applicant without the relevant quals and experience or who was patently useless being appointed due to their connections, or because the recruiting team was useless. Indeed one might look at Trump's appointments and figure that they demonstrate the exact opposite of DEI.

As with all these issues, there is often a grain of truth, that has been overblown and made into an issue it isn't, mostly it seems by privileged white blokes who don't seem to be able to accept that other people different from them might just be able to do as good a job if given the chance.

[Andy_Faber]

I don't really know how you do it. How does a candidate prove they have been discriminated against? Easier if you are on a role and suffer from it.

I only had maybe four folk complain about discrimination but none concerned any ?protected characteristics? and no complaints were, or stood a chance of being, upheld. Being discriminated against these days is in some cases perfectly legal if you DON?T have a protected characteristic and that?s what?s naffing so many people off.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well the Lincolnshire mayor is gormless, talentless, opportunistic self serving idiot who was ousted as Tory MP for a Leeds constituency who will now actually have to do some governing, can't wait to see the mess she makes of that!

The MP for Runcorn is another dumb ex Tory who fortunately doesn't have to do anything other than sit in the House of Commons and follow Farage's orders. I do expect however that she will find that an issue and either cross the floor back to the Tories or be an independent and fade into obscurity.

I'm pleased to see these utter useless ****s elected, they will **** up pretty soon, fall out with each other and basically demonstrate their inability to run a piss up in a brewery. bring it on.

Swale "Well the Lincolnshire mayor is gormless, talentless, opportunistic self serving idiot"

I'm sure he speaks highly of you too

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yusuf says hiring should be 'colour blind' and best person for the job.

I 100% agree, and I'm no fan of quotas. There does need to be policies in place though and employers held to account if people are overlooked because of their nationality, colour of their skin, religion, disabilities etc etc

Much as many would like to believe discrimination won't happen, it 100% does and removing protection potentially will only make this worse.

Strip away those protections and employers may see it as consent to pass on the best candidate who just happens to have a medical condition through fear they might require adjustments in the work place.

Interestingly I entirely agree that recruitment should be colour blind (and gender bling, ***ualty blind etc) but I will never hire anyone with a visible tattoo. Is this discriminatory?

[Andy_Faber]

Interestingly I entirely agree that recruitment should be colour blind (and gender bling, ***ualty blind etc) but I will never hire anyone with a visible tattoo. Is this discriminatory?

Not illegal to discriminate against (or for) people with tattoos unless they are linked to culture, religion or ethnicity. Likewise my pet hate, multicoloured hair.