O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[upthemaggies]

Which treatments are these?

Treatments that would mean the vaccine loses its emergency licence and would have to be withdrawn if it was accepted that they work,, particularly the cheapest option for which the patent has run out, so no big profit to be made and hence the coordinated effort from day 1 to crush them all as a viable option.

[sidders]

Apparently 31% of EFL players have not yet had their first shot against COVID and a quarter of players have no intention of getting vaccinated. We could have the ridiculous situation of fans having to produce a vaccine passport to watch players who have not been vaccinated.
What's a matter with these pillocks? Are they afraid of having a pinprick? Will it get them laughed out of the dressing room?
Civil liberties are all well and good but this is about protecting your fellow man as well as yourself. Those who reject being vaccinated are behaving like a bunch of right wingers or do they actually believe the Q-anon myth that it's all part of a government plot to control people?
The way things are going football will have ground to a halt before January is halfway through.

[upthemaggies]

What's a matter with these pillocks? Are they afraid of having a pinprick? Will it get them laughed out of the dressing room?

It's widely accepted that young men are at a much greater risk of suffering heart problems as a result of being vaccinated and they are no doubt aware of mounting cases in recent months of soccer players suffering heart problems on the pitch, which may or may not be due to the vaccine but obviously you'd be worried. It's a horrible position to be in and they have my full sympathy.

[Elite_Pie]

It's widely accepted that young men are at a much greater risk of suffering heart problems as a result of being vaccinated.

At a much greater risk of what?

[upthemaggies]

At a much greater risk of what?

In one word. Myocarditis

[BigFatPie]

In one word. Myocarditis

Just complete bollox.

The risk of myocarditis at a young age is far higher when catching the virus than with the vaccine.

I ask again, how long is this nonsense going to go unmoderated on this forum?

[Elite_Pie]

In one word. Myocarditis

So what do you mean by "much greater risk"? Do you have any reliable stats that show the death rate is greater than catching Covid?

I think cher touched on it earlier, but there is a risk to taking any form of medication. If you read the Paracetamol mass of paperwork in the packet, you would never take the pill if you had a headache because there is a risk that you could suffer loads of side effects. I don't doubt that the long term effects of the vaccine are unproven, and even though 'long term' is a bit optimistic at my age, I'm happy that being triple jabbed has given me my best chance. Each to their own.

[Old_pie]

In one word. Myocarditis

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-14/

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-professionals

How very dare the scientists put out such propaganda if the agenda is to mislead the world?

Some car passenger and driver deaths and injuries have been due to wearing seat belts. I presume you don't wear yours just in case.

And whilst I'm here - can you clear up where the Carbon Monoxide is produced to cause damage to a mask wearer? And if masks are ineffective how come they supposedly can trap CO but not trap covid laden breath?

Holes digging deep, I'd worry about hernias if I were you.

[cher1]

It's widely accepted that young men are at a much greater risk of suffering heart problems as a result of being vaccinated and they are no doubt aware of mounting cases in recent months of soccer players suffering heart problems on the pitch, which may or may not be due to the vaccine but obviously you'd be worried. It's a horrible position to be in and they have my full sympathy.

You do understand the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis (with Pfizer) is extremely small, even in males under 30? And that almost all cases are mild to moderate, and result in a full recovery?

And that the risks of actually having covid, which include myocarditis, amongst of course myriad other risks? Yes the risks for younger people are lower, but they still exist. So far this year 884 people between 15 and 44 have died with covid in England (I've downloaded the data).

As for players having cardiac issues on the pitch, a statistic cluster is considered the most likely reason by experts, nothing more. As young males are the least vaccinated group, it's a bit of a stretch to hint it might be down to the vaccine, it's more likely to be down to covid, which I notice you don't mention as a potential cause.

[keldsyke]

In one word. Myocarditis

Can you give us your medical qualifications please? (Your previous references from the Victoria Derbyshire Show won’t qualify )