O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Elite_Pie]

As you well know or should know, the decline in standards started well before the 14 recent Tory Government years.

So did those 14 years of the Tories improve standards? Or did they drag the country into the gutter?

[SinceSept1959]

So did those 14 years of the Tories improve standards? Or did they drag the country into the gutter?

I could offer you a menu of "word salad, " ala Mrs Balls or Ms Cooper , but I'm not a politician and don't lie either.

The Tories hardly dragged "the country into the gutter " but if you think that's the case, I hope that after five years of this shower , we're not submerged, deep, into the cess pit and still have a country we can vaguely recognise.
Under three terms of Blairism, standards certainly declined , but the fortunes of himself, his family and HR Lawyers , certainly improved?.
The fact remains, that under every Labour PM the economy has been trashed rather than improved.

As is often quoted ,
" Socialism works until they've run out of everyone else's money!"
Not since Harold Wilson, has any Labour Gov't been remotely socialist. Merely a different colour of capitalists without the necessary nous.

[Elite_Pie]

The Tories hardly dragged "the country into the gutter "

For centuries Great Britain had a reputation for truth, decency and fairness. Brexit and Boris Johnson managed to trash that once proud reputation in just a couple of years, where lies and deceit became what we were known for. Europe in particular doesn't like us much, and with good reason.

[Med Pie]

For centuries Great Britain had a reputation for truth, decency and fairness. Brexit and Boris Johnson managed to trash that once proud reputation in just a couple of years, where lies and deceit became what we were known for. Europe in particular doesn't like us much, and with good reason.

That's nothing to do with Brexit, ok, it maybe made them dislike us even more but the French in particular have always hated us, they even veto'd our first application to join what was then the Common market.

What the EU allowed, was the importation of cheap labour and the export of what were once, well paying jobs to poorer nations where they could pay people less. Off the top of my head, was it Nissan who moved their entire, operation to Poland?

[keldsyke]

For centuries Great Britain had a reputation for truth, decency and fairness. Brexit and Boris Johnson managed to trash that once proud reputation in just a couple of years, where lies and deceit became what we were known for. Europe in particular doesn't like us much, and with good reason.

You forgot Tony Blair and the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies was first.... more balance!

[OP67]

So did those 14 years of the Tories improve standards? Or did they drag the country into the gutter?

If you think we're in the gutter now where do you think we'll be in 5 years time? Genuine question.

[Elite_Pie]

If you think we're in the gutter now where do you think we'll be in 5 years time? Genuine question.

Slowly climbing out of the gutter. Genuine answer.

[OP67]

Slowly climbing out of the gutter. Genuine answer.

That ain't gonna happen under Labour mate. They're draining the private sector of money to pay for the public sector already. How is that going to get us out the gutter that you say we are in??? prepare yourself for strikes and shortages in 2025 just like the 70's.

[Elite_Pie]

Kids growing up in the 50's & 60's were brought up to respect their parents, grandparents, elderly people, females , The Law, the church and the 10 commandments.

Really? Boris Johnson was brought up in the 60s and ended up as Prime Minister. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate him on his respect for the elderly, females, the law, and the 10 commandments?

[Old_pie]

Really? Boris Johnson was brought up in the 60s and ended up as Prime Minister. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate him on his respect for the elderly, females, the law, and the 10 commandments?

I think SinceSep59 was referring to kids brought up in England/Britain/UK, not America and wandering around somewhat for a few years. It was just about the 70's before he arrived here by which time there was dwindling respect for elderly, females, the law, and the 10 commandments. Or was that the late 50's, can't remember now.

Seems as though it's not a new thing:

We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self-control." These words - expressing the all-too-familiar contemporary condemnation of young people - were actually inscribed on a 6,000-year-old Egyptian tomb.

Later, in the fourth century BC, Plato was heard to remark: "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets, inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

And then, a few hundred years later, in AD1274, Peter the Hermit joined the chorus. "The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint ... As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behaviour and dress."

BoJo must fit one of those eras, after all he did study classics.