Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

Farage models himself somewhat on the Fanta flavoured F*ckwit. He's about as much for the benefit of the worst off 75% of the populace in the UK as the FFF is in the USA.

The people now turning to Farage can't have read or heard the majority of his proposals. Private insurance based health service. Look at his Tax reforms. They'll cost billions. He was challenged in an interview how he'd pay for the 141 Billion GBP he'd be stripping the Treasury of. He didn't question the 141Bn figure but waffled that everything would be fine and dandy. If he means upping the national be debt by FFF like proportions is fine and dandy, then he's right.

He'll be like Wilders. Extreme when it comes to immigration but end up getting nowt done, have a manifesto full of leftist socio economic proposals and, once in the position of being the largest party in the coalition, fails to give the "plebs" what he promised them in the manifesto but did manage to give tax breaks to multinationals, large companies and the rich. He's also a fan of FFF and Putin.

We have new elections on October 29th. I really hope folk get wise to Wilders and don't vote for him and his party (it really is HIS party as their rules only allow one member and that's him) as you won't get what he's told you you'll get. 10 years ago his party backed the then minority coalition without being formally part of of it. When things got too hot under his feet, he stopped his backing for the coalition. This time round, as the largest party in the coalition, he wanted the toughest immigration Laws we've ever had. Part of the coalition agreement was that everything had to be legal, affordable and possible (the various departments could actually do it). Once he saw that Dutch and International Law prevented some of his more extravagant wishes on immigration, he doubled down with 10 more demands, all of which failed at least one of the legal etc tests. he left the coalition to force an election in the hope he can get sole power. He won't as it's never going to happen that he gets a 50 percent plus 1 majority. No other half serious party will join him in a coalition as he's run away twice now. The latest polls also no longer have him as the largest party. He's hoping fear and rhetoric win the day. It won't.

It will be a sad day if no marks like Farage and Wilders get to run their countries. IMO.

[swaledale]

Farage models himself somewhat on the Fanta flavoured F*ckwit. He's about as much for the benefit of the worst off 75% of the populace in the UK as the FFF is in the USA.

The people now turning to Farage can't have read or heard the majority of his proposals. Private insurance based health service. Look at his Tax reforms. They'll cost billions. He was challenged in an interview how he'd pay for the 141 Billion GBP he'd be stripping the Treasury of. He didn't question the 141Bn figure but waffled that everything would be fine and dandy. If he means upping the national be debt by FFF like proportions is fine and dandy, then he's right.

He'll be like Wilders. Extreme when it comes to immigration but end up getting nowt done, have a manifesto full of leftist socio economic proposals and, once in the position of being the largest party in the coalition, fails to give the "plebs" what he promised them in the manifesto but did manage to give tax breaks to multinationals, large companies and the rich. He's also a fan of FFF and Putin.

We have new elections on October 29th. I really hope folk get wise to Wilders and don't vote for him and his party (it really is HIS party as their rules only allow one member and that's him) as you won't get what he's told you you'll get. 10 years ago his party backed the then minority coalition without being formally part of of it. When things got too hot under his feet, he stopped his backing for the coalition. This time round, as the largest party in the coalition, he wanted the toughest immigration Laws we've ever had. Part of the coalition agreement was that everything had to be legal, affordable and possible (the various departments could actually do it). Once he saw that Dutch and International Law prevented some of his more extravagant wishes on immigration, he doubled down with 10 more demands, all of which failed at least one of the legal etc tests. he left the coalition to force an election in the hope he can get sole power. He won't as it's never going to happen that he gets a 50 percent plus 1 majority. No other half serious party will join him in a coalition as he's run away twice now. The latest polls also no longer have him as the largest party. He's hoping fear and rhetoric win the day. It won't.

It will be a sad day if no marks like Farage and Wilders get to run their countries. IMO.

Its almost as if these types do it purely for their own self interest, the attention they get and the money they accrue, whilst distracting the masses by ranting on about immigration, from the fact that the richest 1% are getting richer at the rest of the populations expense!!

[MadAmster]

Its almost as if these types do it purely for their own self interest, the attention they get and the money they accrue, whilst distracting the masses by ranting on about immigration, from the fact that the richest 1% are getting richer at the rest of the populations expense!!

Exactly.

[MadAmster]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

[Andy_Faber]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

[MadAmster]

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

I was aware of him and disagreed with many of his outpourings.

[swaledale]

I saw this 'as live' ie before it hit any mainstream newswires last eve, by total coincidence. Gruesome, don't search it out.

Sad, tragic, he had a way of connecting with young adults and of calling out some of the more bonkers (mainly leftist, sorry fellahs) views. I didn't agree with everything he said (esp his black/white views on abortion) but for the most part his opinions were well put over and evidence-backed. Shame someone decided that 'cancel culture' needed to go this far.

A false flag of sorts happened almost as soon as mainstream media got hold of this, a spokesman on MSNBC suggested it was a stray 'celebration shot' from a supporter. I understand that spokesman has since been dismissed, possibly as much as anything to protect MSNBC's lefty credentials. The rumour online is that the commentator also said 'he deserved it' but I've seen no evidence of that

Old-school 'mainstream media only' forum members may need to do some catching up here as Charlie was effectively 'cancelled' from it, although massive elsewhere

I would be genuinely interested as to which of his opinions you feel were evidence backed?

[Andy_Faber]

I would be genuinely interested as to which of his opinions you feel were evidence backed?

Sorry we’ve gone beyond that, we collectively have been talking ‘world issues’ for nearly ten years now and no-one has moved anyone else’s worldview a tenth of a degree, we’ve just descended into nastiness, so I’m not going to expand on my comment. I continually refer to Mac’s recent admonishment of our constant bickering as a ‘last straw’ for me. On this subject I suggest you listen to Charlie Clark’s opinions, and the arguments from the other side, and then do the research yourself.

[ramAnag]

Sorry we?’ve gone beyond that, we collectively have been talking ?‘world issues?’ for nearly ten years now and no-one has moved anyone else?’s worldview a tenth of a degree, we?’ve just descended into nastiness, so I?’m not going to expand on my comment. I continually refer to Mac?’s recent admonishment of our constant bickering as a ?‘last straw?’ for me. On this subject I suggest you listen to Charlie Clark?’s opinions, and the arguments from the other side, and then do the research yourself.

Which, translated from AF speak, means, ‘I can continue to make my own topical and personal asides but whenever I’m asked to back them up I’ll claim it’s all descending into unpleasantness and do a runner’.

At least have the courage of your convictions man. You’re only being asked to back up what you’ve suggested. Disagreement doesn’t have to be unpleasant, it can be respectful.

Anyway, back on topic. Tbh I’d never heard of this Charlie Kirk chap but I have been to Utah, where he was apparently killed. Absolutely magnificent landscape, weird drinking laws (which the friendly young waiter who served us actually agreed were odd) but possibly most relevant of all, I remember being in the same bar/restaurant where T-shirts were on sale with the logo, ‘You’re in Utah. Imagine everyone is armed!’, emblazoned above an image of a handgun. Tells its own story, live by the gun laws…….

[swaledale]

Charlie Kirk, shot and killed for his beliefs. Shouldn't happen, however much you might disagree with him. His thoughts on empathy were interesting and I wonder what he'd make of someone disagreeing with those thoughts feeling empathy towards his friends and family following his death. "Social media" is full of those screaming "it's the way of the left". Rewind to June of this year. Democrat Melissa Hartman and her husband shot and killed for their views. Same month, Democrat John Hoffman shot 9 times and his wife 8 times. Somehow they both survived. Same crap, I disagree with you so you must die. That is so damned wrong.

Not yet seen/heard any conspeorists saying false flag....

Generally agree, though this type of political violence has been a factor in USA politics for many decades, e.g. JFK, Martin Luther King and so forth. You have a country full of guns and these things are going to happen.

Its regrettable both in terms of the effect on his family and the fact that this "influencer" will now be made a "martyr" by the right.