O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Mud Pie]

Stay humble , show respect and learn from history.

don't think that was painted on the side of BoJo's bus, or written in Trump's manifesto, but possibly on Putin's 'advice for Ukrainians'. Is that your point?

[SinceSept1959]

What is your point ?
For what it's worth, Andrex should have prepared the manifesto's for Blair and Starmer ?
The three wise monkeys , B, B, C and look at the state we're all in now ?
Trust using your own eyes not the potent elixirs of rhetoric and propaganda.
Have a nice day and enjoy whatever the future may bring.
In reality ,all politicians are obsolete, merely puppets to Uncle Klauss and his disciples ?

[magpie_mania]

What is your point ?
For what it's worth, Andrex should have prepared the manifesto's for Blair and Starmer ?
The three wise monkeys , B, B, C and look at the state we're all in now ?
Trust using your own eyes not the potent elixirs of rhetoric and propaganda.
Have a nice day and enjoy whatever the future may bring.
In reality ,all politicians are obsolete, merely puppets to Uncle Klauss and his disciples ?

I don't think it is the young who have been brainwashed though is it?

[SinceSept1959]

Whatever you may think, certainly a matter of opinion .
A whole spectrum of electors have certainly been duped and conned for decades.
An old guy told me before the last election of being harangued by a young guy , who said " you oldies shouldn't be allowed to vote on our future ! "
The old guy replied he had worked for 51 years and was still paying income tax on his pension .
On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work.
Says it all really.
No work ethic , like the other 9.5 million who chose not to work ?

[magpie_mania]

Whatever you may think, certainly a matter of opinion .
A whole spectrum of electors have certainly been duped and conned for decades.
An old guy told me before the last election of being harangued by a young guy , who said " you oldies shouldn't be allowed to vote on our future ! "
The old guy replied he had worked for 51 years and was still paying income tax on his pension .
On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work.
Says it all really.
No work ethic , like the other 9.5 million who chose not to work ?

You know he has no work ethic?

Maybe he isn?t working because he is concentrating on studying? Then in years ahead he will be able to earn more, thereby paying tax so that the old guy can have a pension.

That is how the state pension works - those paying tax now are paying for those getting pension today.

I do not agree with him saying that the older ones shouldn?t be allowed to vote on his future, although I do have some sympathy in that a good proportion of those voting for Brexit will only enjoy it for a few years while the younger ones who voted remain will have to endure it for many years.

[Elite_Pie]

On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work. Says it all really.

What a pathetic post, it says nothing at all and you should be ashamed of spouting ignorant generalisations like that. Two of my daughters were in similar situations when they were studying at Uni so didn't pay tax. Both did part time work while at Uni to give them a bit of extra cash but not enough to get them into the tax paying bracket. Both got degrees and are now NHS workers, one is an occupational therapist and the other is an infection control nurse. Both work hard and pay taxes as well as paying off their student loans. If either ever get to look after you, I hope you appreciate their efforts and show them a bit more respect than you have shown in your disgraceful post.

[Bohinen]

People have no idea what it's like supporting yourself as a student these days. Nothing is given for nothing, like it was 40/50 years ago when students got grants, you are paying your tuition fees and loans back for the rest of your life.

I have a daughter who has to work part-time to afford to study, even though we pay the full parental contribution of over 5 grand. She was in Surrey in the first year and had to work 20 hours per week, but for the second year even that wouldn't have been enough to pay the extortionate accommodation charges asked for by private landlords, so she's now at the University of Nottingham and works 'only' 12 hours. This is below the tax threshold, which is shocking, obviously.

My eldest daughter at least got a bursary for nurse training, doing a diploma, as did my wife. But the government did away with those and now you have to pay for the privilege of training to be a nurse. The only consolation is that in the end, you will progress in the NHS if you work hard, my eldest is now an advanced nurse practitioner in an A&E department, but the higher wages that go with the grade only attracts more jealousy, cynicism, and bitterness from a frankly miserable older population we have now. And I say that as one of them myself.

[Elite_Pie]

Being generous, I'm sorry but you still don't appear to understand that you're arguing about a completely different topic from the rest of us.

True, even though it was explained quite clearly. Whether the cause of this crash turns out to be down to air traffic control error, pilot error, mechanical failure, Russian drones or any other conspiracy theory isn't the issue. The issue is whether it's acceptable for a president to exploit a tragedy for political gain while bodies are still in the water. Thankfully, only Lullapie so far finds it acceptable.

[Mark_Ross]

Worry about your own government

Yeah, if only in the 1930s the UK had just concentrated on our own problems.

[Med Pie]

People have no idea what it's like supporting yourself as a student these days. Nothing is given for nothing, like it was 40/50 years ago when students got grants, you are paying your tuition fees and loans back for the rest of your life.

I have a daughter who has to work part-time to afford to study, even though we pay the full parental contribution of over 5 grand. She was in Surrey in the first year and had to work 20 hours per week, but for the second year even that wouldn't have been enough to pay the extortionate accommodation charges asked for by private landlords, so she's now at the University of Nottingham and works 'only' 12 hours. This is below the tax threshold, which is shocking, obviously.

My eldest daughter at least got a bursary for nurse training, doing a diploma, as did my wife. But the government did away with those and now you have to pay for the privilege of training to be a nurse. The only consolation is that in the end, you will progress in the NHS if you work hard, my eldest is now an advanced nurse practitioner in an A&E department, but the higher wages that go with the grade only attracts more jealousy, cynicism, and bitterness from a frankly miserable older population we have now. And I say that as one of them myself.

Some do, like me, who did a law degree aged forty.

My eldest daughter has a degree and is making a success of her life despite being saddled with student debt and my youngest, already fluent in three languages, will graduate in either Cyprus or Athens at zero cost.