O/T:- Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

I'm not in favour of the Welfare State. The term implies that it is a way to have your life controlled - like The Fascist State or The Hermit State.

I'm in favour of a safety net for all those that need to call on it, but it's reviewed every three months. There has to be certain, minimal criteria that the recipient has to meet each time - depending on why they are receiving the payment. I'm 100% against child benefit of ANY form. Why should the taxpayer subsidise others to breed?

Your first statement is contradicted by the second, highlighted line with which I agree. Without a welfare state, we'd have miles of 'tent Cities' like we see in America, even in affluent Cities.

I think benefits should be removed from those whose incapacity is brought about by drug abuse or alcohol dependence however, there are myriad circumstances, almost endless combinations of factors in each, individual case so it's difficult to craft a 'one size fits all'.

Thank goodness for the two child limit on child benefit which some Liberals want to overturn or hundreds of millions more would be going to immigrant families who have twice as many kids on average as the Brits do.

[Lullapie]

Your first statement is contradicted by the second, highlighted line with which I agree. Without a welfare state, we'd have miles of 'tent Cities' like we see in America, even in affluent Cities.

I think benefits should be removed from those whose incapacity is brought about by drug abuse or alcohol dependence however, there are myriad circumstances, almost endless combinations of factors in each, individual case so it's difficult to craft a 'one size fits all'.

Thank goodness for the two child limit on child benefit which some Liberals want to overturn or hundreds of millions more would be going to immigrant families who have twice as many kids on average as the Brits do.

The tent cities aren't caused by the US welfare system. They are caused by the opioid and Fentanyl epidemic. I was in San Francisco, New Jersey and New York last year. Vast areas of many US cities are like scenes from a zombie film - that has nothing to do with state funded benefits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWBzxr3c29s

The Welfare State is a means of living for many - that is what I am against.

[Lullapie]

The term "Welfare State" was coined for Britain in the early 1940s as a counterpoint to the Nazi Germany "Warfare State".

Many thanks .

[keldsyke]

I wonder which ‘Two Tier’ justice system Mike Amesbury is going to receive? The ‘Lock ‘em up’ straight away because they’ve posted something nasty on Facetube, or the ‘Try and forget about it’ system used if you kick off with armed Police in Manchester airport, going to be interesting this.

[bule1]

I wonder which ‘Two Tier’ justice system Mike Amesbury is going to receive? The ‘Lock ‘em up’ straight away because they’ve posted something nasty on Facetube, or the ‘Try and forget about it’ system used if you kick off with armed Police in Manchester airport, going to be interesting this.

Or the same a Ricky Jones with his ‘we need to cut their throats and get rid of them’. whilst the unrest was going on.

[OP67]

Or the same a Ricky Jones with his ‘we need to cut their throats and get rid of them’. whilst the unrest was going on.

Any coincidense that Ricky Jones court date is the same day as the budget when all the news will be about us all getting poorer if that's possible!!!

They'll have to release a couple of prisoners to get Jones and Amesbury behind bars where they belong surely....I'll not hold my breath!

[BigFatPie]

I wonder which ‘Two Tier’ justice system Mike Amesbury is going to receive? The ‘Lock ‘em up’ straight away because they’ve posted something nasty on Facetube, or the ‘Try and forget about it’ system used if you kick off with armed Police in Manchester airport, going to be interesting this.

Pleading guilty does tend to expedite the justice process.

[keldsyke]

Pleading guilty does tend to expedite the justice process.

The two Manchester Airport thugs have pleaded guilty?

[Notsohumblepie]

Pleading guilty does tend to expedite the justice process.

With respect , so does the implied threat of an extended period on remand, without bail.

[MarcusCole]

Pleading guilty does tend to expedite the justice process.

As does having multiple videos of the incident and eye witnesses. Well usually it would.