This insanity is endless...

[sinkov]

And talking of phone numbers, apparently one of the reasons Track and Trace isn't working well, is that they've discovered people won't answer their phone if they don't recognise the number. Well quelle surprise, who would have imagined that. These people just don't live in the real world do they.

[oldcolner]

"Comparison between countries is difficult."

We're not agreeing on much these days OC, so I've deliberately highlighted something we can agree on. The methods of quantifying and collating Covid deaths varies so much from country to country, and I believe from state to state in the USA, that it makes any comparison virtually meaningless. This quite possibly applies to the four UK countries as well.

So we're in agreement OC, happy days.

Great!
Stats are useful to those who collect them as they define what they need, but as you say once others collect to different definitions they are only good for comparing within countries.
We have fiddled ours a couple of times with initially only counting hospitals a relatively small number of collecting points, but anyone who had had COVID counted however long ago, then adding GPs and Care Homes, as hospitals couldn’t cope and patients were left at home or transferred out, then introducing the 28 day limit for COVID tests to reduce numbers.
A lot of other countries have changed too and we are now testing much more, more per capita than most big counties.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

You ring here on a 0330 or 0800 number and you will have more chance of me voting Tory than anyone in this household picking it up.

[sinkov]

Great!
Stats are useful to those who collect them as they define what they need, but as you say once others collect to different definitions they are only good for comparing within countries.
We have fiddled ours a couple of times with initially only counting hospitals a relatively small number of collecting points, but anyone who had had COVID counted however long ago, then adding GPs and Care Homes, as hospitals couldn’t cope and patients were left at home or transferred out, then introducing the 28 day limit for COVID tests to reduce numbers.
A lot of other countries have changed too and we are now testing much more, more per capita than most big counties.

I can remember reading, sometime around May I think, that a comparison of UK deaths with France was pointless, because at that time the French didn't count deaths in Care Homes in their official figures, but they were going to count them from June, or maybe it was July, can't remember. But how many more instances like this are there worldwide ? The official stats are a can of worms, they can't be trusted or relied on, but life or death decisions are being made on the basis of them.

I notice that Glum and Glummer have been called in today to face a Select Committee to explain their dodgy graph that bounced Boris into locking us down. Could be interesting, from what I've been reading, their stats are very dodgy indeed.

[oldcolner]

The most pertinent epidemiological feature of Covid-19 is a greatly varying mortality risk by demographic. Mortality risk is highly age variant, with 89 per cent of Covid mortalities in the over 65s. Mortality risk is also concentrated in those with pre-existing medical conditions (95 per cent of Covid deaths). This large variation in risk by age and health status suggests that the harm caused by uniform policies (that apply to all persons) will outweigh the benefits.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...covid-strategy

That’s sensible and what Nicola is doing here, the Highlands and Islands have few cases. However they hadonly one hospital with 8 ITU beds in Inverness so it won’t need many cases to swamp them and a major accident would create havoc. More have been created but mostly in the Central Belt.

The previous number of 173 ICU beds in Scotland had been increased rapidly, and stood at 585 beds in summer, though that may have fallen since as the Nightingale equivalent was mothballed.

Wuhan was locked down for 20 weeks!! Be grateful for small mercies.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Is it clogged arteries or COVID-19 that's killing the older Jocks OC? Those deep fried fried Mars bars and cans of extra strong Tennants must catch up with the victim sometime?

[oldcolner]

Is it clogged arteries or COVID-19 that's killing the older Jocks OC? Those deep fried fried Mars bars and cans of extra strong Tennants must catch up with the victim sometime?

Lol
You asked
Cancer capital of Europe, last year
The number of cancer deaths rose by 1.3 per cent to 3,974;
• The number of deaths from coronary heart disease fell by 3.1 per cent to 1,548;
• The number of deaths from dementia and Alzheimer’s disease rose by 5.7 per cent to 1,464;
• Deaths from respiratory diseases fell by 1.9 per cent to 1,444;
• There were 887 deaths from cerebrovascular disease (an increase of 3.6 per cent).

COVID this year so far 2877 so on target to take the lead, though local actions seem to be working and death rates down to ****s.

If anyone believes figures on here 😆

[The Bedlington Terrier]

If anyone believes figures on here ��

Most of us with a single operating brain cell do not OC.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Which lunatic constructed Johnson's latest, totally bonkers, graph which suggested on Saturday that if we fail to have a second lockdown, deaths in the UK could reach 4,000 a day?

I cannot believe Labour MP's are that gullible. It's not possible is it?

[Supersub6]

Which lunatic constructed Johnson's latest, totally bonkers, graph which suggested on Saturday that if we fail to have a second lockdown, deaths in the UK could reach 4,000 a day?

I cannot believe Labour MP's are that gullible. It's not possible is it?

Scientific advisers, BT. Good isn't it. Read all about it yesterday and it is amazing to think about the amount of garbage that is being peddled to the gullible. We only had 232 hospitals which didn't have any Covid patients at all according to some other scientists. Make your own mind up about it.