Ched Evans

[Elite_Pie]

All I'm saying is if she was too drunk there is no way that in heels she would of picked that pizza box up (after walking out un aided with no wobble) with out smashing her face on the pavement.at that time if she was too drunk (didn't look it to me) she couldn't of given consent to McDonald but yet he got off!how does it work for one and not the other?

Don't you think the judge and jury would have considered that?

I have read elsewhere (and I don't know if it's true or not) that the video is of the girl arriving with McDonald, who I understand she went back with willingly. Evans turned up some time later after a text from McDonald.

[Rapid]

if she's sober enough to walk in the hotel and to the room of her own free will, that's good enough for me to class it as BS.

So one video (from his own website) is enough to convince you it was BS??? Why didn't it convince a judge and 12 jurors who heard far more evidence than us in both the original trial and the appeal?[/quote]

it's not from his own website. see the link I posted earlier. I've clearly said what's enough to convince me. she walked into the hotel and the room of her own free will.

it probably didn't convince the jury because of how the law is construed. maybe that's what I disagree with but I'm not a law student. the law may imply that if someone is drunk they aren't in a fit state to give consent. I'm saying I know from personal experience that is bull****. I've been in many positions where I was drunk and knew perfectly well what I was doing.

[Elite_Pie]

I've clearly said what's enough to convince me. she walked into the hotel and the room of her own free will.

She appears to walk into the hotel and the room of her own free will with Clayton McDonald, not with Ched Evans.

[Rapid]

I've clearly said what's enough to convince me. she walked into the hotel and the room of her own free will.

She appears to walk into the hotel and the room of her own free will with Clayton McDonald, not with Ched Evans.[/quote]

which is obviously why he was cleared. now if she admitted what went off with McDonald and just claimed that evans rocked up and raped her, that would have made some kind of sense. she clearly intended to go in with McDonald.

but she didn't did she? she claimed it was both of them. that she didn't give consent to either despite walking in of her own free will. the story stinks.

[Rob_the_Ram]

My understanding is that the judge and jury are there to apply the law as written. I believe they did.
They must have believed beyond reasonable doubt that McDonald received positive consent (maybe they believed she was able to give it at that point) but Evans did not. It does seem on the face of things that it would be extremely difficult for a jury to know beyond reasonable doubt that the victim did not knowingly give consent or was unable to at that time. But difficult or not, they were convinced Evans never got consent.

The point many have been making is the single offence of rape that seems to be applied whether it is a forced, violent, obvious none consented act or one of uncertain permission (and therefore in the eyes of the law - not consented).
Can anyone remember the last time they sought, or for that matter, gave positive consent at the end of a night out?

When a life is taken, there are degrees of severity of charge. Murder, manslaughter, manslaughter on grounds of dim

[Ramondo]

It's a tough one.

The one thing I can't understand is how one guy is guilty and yet the other isn't. Obviously she went back to the hotel with McDonald so it could be argued that she was more likely to have given consent for *** with him, rather than with Evans who turned up after. If the claim was that she didn't give consent for Evans then you could see how that might have stacked up.

But it seems that he was convicted of rape because the girl was in no fit state to consent and claims she can remember nothing from a point before she had met MacDonald, therefore I can't see how both men weren't convicted.

However, as for him playing again - it's a tricky one on moral grounds. On the one hand, he was found guilty and sentenced, now he is out of prison and therefor he has served his time and is free to get on with his life. That is how it works. As has already been said, other players who killed people through reckless driving have gone on to resume their careers, so why shouldn't Ev

[Polish_ForestMad]

If she was too drunk to give consent that counts for both Ched and McDonald surley?that CCTV was given to prove she was too drunk to give consent,if she's too drunk (as they say she was) she is too drunk when she meets McDonald and when she goes to the room with him therefor she couldn't (in the eyes of the law) give consent.or is she only too drunk after she goes to the room and just as Ched arrives.2 glasses of wine,4 double vodkas and a sambuca for a girl that admitted she usually drinks more than that when she goes out?

[Polish_ForestMad]

I've clearly said what's enough to convince me. she walked into the hotel and the room of her own free will.

She appears to walk into the hotel and the room of her own free will with Clayton McDonald, not with Ched Evans.[/quote]
But the CCTV was used as evidence to say she was too drunk before she met McDonald and that they were both up for rape!she says she couldn't remember getting to the hotel,so (in her eyes) she was too drunk before going back to the hotel.you say she willingly went back with him what if she actually said yes to Ched joining in?that is one thing that will never come out as there were only three people there and only they no what happened.have you seen the tweets that were used as evidence against her?looked a really traumatic time for her! - view external link

[Polish_ForestMad]

All I'm saying is if she was too drunk there is no way that in heels she would of picked that pizza box up (after walking out un aided with no wobble) with out smashing her face on the pavement.at that time if she was too drunk (didn't look it to me) she couldn't of given consent to McDonald but yet he got off!how does it work for one and not the other?

Don't you think the judge and jury would have considered that?

I have read elsewhere (and I don't know if it's true or not) that the video is of the girl arriving with McDonald, who I understand she went back with willingly. Evans turned up some time later after a text from McDonald.[/quote]
So your trying to argue without seeing the facts of the case?read the medias side of things then go onto chedevans.com a read his side then come back.

[lewyman633]

Serves him right for being there in the first place. He should have gone round to his girlfriends and seen to her instead.
No sympathy from me