Trump'in

[KingCharlieGeorge]

Who are you?!

[Oldtimeram]

Claw is my mate, Millwall fan, ex marine and author. One of the good guys KCG

[ramspride]

RamAnag don't worry about me as if you do you will have to worry about the majority of voters in The USA and UK which is a hell of a lot of people. I think Trump fought a brilliant election campaign obviously proven as he has been elected. If had hadn't portraied himself as he did he would have certainly not won. OK I agree some of the things he said I didn't entirely agree with but I am sure now he's in he will tone down a little and be a good president for the USA. The media hate him and portraied him as the devil but you surly can't say that Clinton was lily white and would have made a great President. If the media don't like you they make you look evil. Watch the recordings of Arthur Scargill and Nigel Farage. You can see where they have cut out the bits where they have talked sense and left in the contentious things. Anyway I am pleased we agree on a lot of posts about the Rams.

[ramAnag]

With respect claw...and I'll take OTR's word for how he describes you...I said Farage has never been elected to a representative role within domestic U.K. politics. He hasn't...he's stood for Parliament seven times and lost each time. He may have been elected to the European Parliament, where he merrily claims his £90k plus expenses salary to be utterly destructive, largely because of the apathy of U.K. voters, but he has absolutely no mandate to take part in any activity involving the British Parliament/Government.

Yes he came out in support of the misogynistic racist bully who is now sadly the President Elect of the U.S. but what does that tell you about him?

[swaledale]

RamAnag don't worry about me as if you do you will have to worry about the majority of voters in The USA and UK which is a hell of a lot of people. I think Trump fought a brilliant election campaign obviously proven as he has been elected. If had hadn't portraied himself as he did he would have certainly not won. OK I agree some of the things he said I didn't entirely agree with but I am sure now he's in he will tone down a little and be a good president for the USA. The media hate him and portraied him as the devil but you surly can't say that Clinton was lily white and would have made a great President. If the media don't like you they make you look evil. Watch the recordings of Arthur Scargill and Nigel Farage. You can see where they have cut out the bits where they have talked sense and left in the contentious things. Anyway I am pleased we agree on a lot of posts about the Rams.

Ah so telling complete lies is fighting a brilliant election campaign???? Bit like going round the country in a bus which states £350 million to go to the NHS? Please tell me when that big fat lie is going to happen?

In one election address alone Trump was shown to have said 47 completely untrue statements!! The media did not make Trump look evil any sane person has just to listen to what he said to realise the guy is a total ****e - look at his business dealings, hw many times has he gone bankrupt? How many "little people" and companies were left with unpaid debts when that happened and he walked away untouched?

Mind you if you believe the majority of people in the UK a voted for brexit and the majority of people in the Us voted for Trump then i can kinda see how you ignore the lies and believe its some form of media conspiracy!

Point of fact - MORE people voted for Clinton than Trump - so clearly not the majority of people voting for him and 37% of the Uk voting population voted for Brexit, NOT a majority there either!!

As for Farage a complete and utter arse who has not since Brexit explained what he thinks should happen!!

[swaledale]

Would that not make this country a target ? Plus the fact that all warplanes are an abomination and an affront to civiiiation.

I don't think that guy understands niceties, just like most people don't understand the reality of whats going on, but then simple folks like simple answers to complicated questions!!

[ramAnag]

RamAnag don't worry about me as if you do you will have to worry about the majority of voters in The USA and UK which is a hell of a lot of people. I think Trump fought a brilliant election campaign obviously proven as he has been elected. If had hadn't portraied himself as he did he would have certainly not won. OK I agree some of the things he said I didn't entirely agree with but I am sure now he's in he will tone down a little and be a good president for the USA. The media hate him and portraied him as the devil but you surly can't say that Clinton was lily white and would have made a great President. If the media don't like you they make you look evil. Watch the recordings of Arthur Scargill and Nigel Farage. You can see where they have cut out the bits where they have talked sense and left in the contentious things. Anyway I am pleased we agree on a lot of posts about the Rams.

Ramspride...I'm glad we can agree about football sometimes, that is what this forum is ultimately for after all, but I honestly don't understand where you're coming from. I was in the US when the story about his comments relating to women broke. You've only seen the 'sanitised' version in the U.K. The man boasted about how, because of his celebrity status, they (women) would let him do anything, he jokes...'I can do anything...I can grab 'em by the *****'. He's also ridiculed a disabled reporter, he's been bankrupted several times, he's left workers unpaid and made overtly racist statements to the extent that he has the support of the Ku Klux Klan. However bad you think Clinton is - and I probably agree - as a fundamentally decent human being how can you think such behaviour befits the role of the US President Elect? The man is nothing other than a grotesque and as Swale has pointed out, he wasn't elected by a majority of voters at all.

[claw84]

Thanks Rammy, you're a pal.
Thought for the day'

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Live as if you'll die today.

[ramspride]

Thanks ramAnag I always listen and consider to what you say. It does make me think and check various sources which, I hope broaden my mind. Swaledale Just think for a moment do you think by calling someone insane and simple is likely to make them change their minds about anything? In fact just the opposite which the luvvies and 'clever' people also don't have a clue. As for Trump I don't think that the American system is very good anyway where you have to be a millionaire to become President but I honestly think that Trump will, in the long term be seen to be a good President. The big problem is, as with Brexit, some cannot accept that the electoral systems decision in the UK and USA.

[swaledale]

Thanks ramAnag I always listen and consider to what you say. It does make me think and check various sources which, I hope broaden my mind. Swaledale Just think for a moment do you think by calling someone insane and simple is likely to make them change their minds about anything? In fact just the opposite which the luvvies and 'clever' people also don't have a clue. As for Trump I don't think that the American system is very good anyway where you have to be a millionaire to become President but I honestly think that Trump will, in the long term be seen to be a good President. The big problem is, as with Brexit, some cannot accept that the electoral systems decision in the UK and USA.

To say an election campaign in which blatant lies and corrosive insults together with overt racist and ***ist comments is brilliant isn't IMO a demonstration of good judgement!

I merely corrected your statement that the majority of people voted for Trump and Brexit, that factually incorrect! I'm not hoping to change anyones mind, just correct a few inaccuracies....if people believe stuff thats not true and then continue to believe it when its shown to be untrue then yes I do question their intelligence!

I don't see Trump being a "good" president - for all his change of tack - why would anyone believe what he says now, if apparently he did not mean what he said in the election campaign? I'm intrigued as to why you think he will be a good president? Whats the basis of that judgement?

Of course, he is going to find that being the most powerful man in the world (so called) is not as easy as it seems - unlike running a business, he is not simply going to be able to do whatever he wants, there will be people telling him you can't do that its illegal or unconstitutional, plus of course he really hasn't go a clue about diplomacy or the art of political negotiation. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when he fails to deliver what he is promising, I'm guessing it won't be Trump's fault though, as he always does he will find a convenient scapegoat!

As for not accepting the Vote - I don't think thats the case - people are pissed off and expressing that which in a democracy they are free to do, as long as its peaceful. The real problem is that the very people who voted for Trump and for Brexit will find out pretty soon that actually neither will make them any better off, quite the reverse in fact but I guess it will take time for that to become apparent and of course if one ignores the facts, then it can be conveniently ignored .