Pardew out!

[SwedishBaggie]

Do people really believe Tony P, or indeed Alan P, are responsible for the players we buy, I.e. they are the Manager/head coaches signings. I don’t.

The way I see it the recruitment team work out, with input from the Head coach, who we can afford given budgets given to them. I believe the Head coach has ‘the final yes or no’ on who we sign but there is a massive difference between getting who you want and agreeing to signing a player.

I am often given the option of say chicken or pork for dinner on a Sunday and will chose one of them even though I really want a joint of best rib beef which we can’t afford! I am sure TP would rather have signed say Harry Kane instead of HRK but was probably given the option of HRK or nothing. He had the final say but that doesnt mean it was what he really wanted and it will be same with all transfers in the modern world of football.

The recruitment team are so important to every team. Those who always put Leicester up as what can be achieved I would say look at their recruitment before they were successful. Vardy, Kante, Mahrez, even Albrighton, to name just 4 key people signed by them prior to their success. The Head coach is important but is not the be all and end all like so many like to make out.

What a good post Yarm, exactly my sentiments (where is that "Like" button when you need it?)! The owner(s), the board and the recruitment team are responsible for our predicament, not former, present or future head coaches. Style of football, results (to some extent, because they are dependant on owners/board/recruitment team) - that's down to head coaches, and that wasn't good or pretty with Pulis towards the end. All in all, the whole season, we over-achieved immensely last season, 40 points after some 28 rounds says it all (no surprise that we didn't pick up so many points after that, if you know anything about motivational psychology).

To blame Pulis for our results after he left is just silly beyond belief...

[goodlordmurphy]

Pulis made some good signings ie. Evans for 6 million and most likely he will go in January for 20 million and Fletcher on a free who went because the Board would not match the salary, Hegazi, Barry, Gibbs and sadly Chadli and Phillips have been injured a lot. There's no such thing as a fluke in the premiership as you make your own luck - whether you liked Pulis or not finishing 10th last year was respectable. The players all of a sudden can't become ****eeeeeeeeee

Luck has gone against us this year and agreed the set pieces have been worked out and there have been injuries. I agree also the football was poor in many games. Confidence is a wonderful thing though and this helped when we were doing well and it also was a main factor why Leicester won the league.

Pulis will be snapped up in January and he will continue to keep clubs up. You can't judge Pardew until at least 10 games but must say the team were woeful yesterday and normally when a new manager comes in the game is raised.

Perhaps Pulis squeezed the best out of a very average team. Lets see if Pardew can do the same - tick tock tick tock....

Don't get me wrong, things had to change but the whole saying in the premiership is so true - be careful what you wish for!!! Would Palace and Newcastle want Pardew or Carver back - NO!!

Seems like the problem runs deeper - Williams, Hammond and Garlick perhaps and Lai who attends one game every three months if lucky.............

You are right on lots of things there Al and when we played a balanced team we played some awesome games such as last season at Leicester and a few more game which do not readily come to mind but there were several.

Definitely right in saying the problems run deeper...the back room boys are slack and not on the ball...Garlick took over from Dan and had to be removed because he wasn't up to standard and no doubt the problems go much deeper.

[boingy]

I just read your comment again boingy and still said 'it's time to blame Pardew now'.

I will stop blaming Pulis when the strain of players he brought in has been watered down enough for us to progress...it's going to be slow going for a while, which brings me back to the point I initially made of someone else having to straighten it out.

I'm sorry boingy but Pulis had a long time to concentrate the rubbish we have into the useless team we have now...Pardew will take a long time to unravel it, (incidentally I don't like Pardew either) and would have preferred the Pearson/Shakespeare combination, they would have been a far better option for playing the youngsters.

lol, pearson is a nutjob, and I dont mean in a nice way, there's nothing likeable about him at all. I didnt blame Pardew...my point is that you can only blame the manager we have at present. Tony had loads of stick, much of it over the top (with the players he had) and he's gone now. His only failing was being too defensive but even then with decent strikers we wouldnt be where we are now. After finishing 10th and adding to the squad I think the players have to blame themselves a lot. Pardew is going to have the same problem. We ALWAYS sit back and think weve won. There's a mentality problem. I've been saying this for years. (Thats before Pulis even) Thats why none of us confidently think we have won if we are 2-0 up.

[goodlordmurphy]

lol, pearson is a nutjob, and I dont mean in a nice way, there's nothing likeable about him at all. I didnt blame Pardew...my point is that you can only blame the manager we have at present. Tony had loads of stick, much of it over the top (with the players he had) and he's gone now. His only failing was being too defensive but even then with decent strikers we wouldnt be where we are now. After finishing 10th and adding to the squad I think the players have to blame themselves a lot. Pardew is going to have the same problem. We ALWAYS sit back and think weve won. There's a mentality problem. I've been saying this for years. (Thats before Pulis even) Thats why none of us confidently think we have won if we are 2-0 up.

Firstly let me remind you for the few games they were in charge of West Brom. Pearson and Shakespeare were unbeaten. It's not about whether we like them or not it's what they can possibly achieve. The Pearson/Shakespeare combo did good things at Hull and then at Leicester setting them up to become Premieship winners. Pearson's dismissal from Leicester was mainly down to his son letting him down badly in an off field situation...The people who employed him at Leicester are still his employers at OH Leuven in the Belgian second division his employers own both clubs...they had this to say about Pearson:- Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, chief executive of King Power International, said: "Nigel is an incredibly good manager with a wealth of knowledge, good people skills and a strong winner's mentality. He will put OHL on track for the next few years." Enough said about Nigel and Craig.

On the subject of blaming Pardew you comments are a bit ambiguous to say the least...you did say "it's time to blame Pardew now"...I didn't say you actually blamed Pardew...but you are advocating that we do so now. TP had no excuses about players they were the players that he bought.
You say that Pardew is going to have the same problem....Isn't that what I was inferring in the first place...it will take time to unravel the Pulis mess. It's not swipe at Pulis because as you say he has gone now but we still have the legacy he left behind. The one saving grace is that Pardew does have a little time to establish what sort of player he going to need to best fit in with what he has...it will probably two or three windows to arrive at his own team.

As for sitting back on a 2-0 lead...I agree with you entirely, but it seems all prem managers get their teams to do it.

[Johnny on the spot 1]

Firstly let me remind you for the few games they were in charge of West Brom. Pearson and Shakespeare were unbeaten. It's not about whether we like them or not it's what they can possibly achieve. The Pearson/Shakespeare combo did good things at Hull and then at Leicester setting them up to become Premieship winners. Pearson's dismissal from Leicester was mainly down to his son letting him down badly in an off field situation...The people who employed him at Leicester are still his employers at OH Leuven in the Belgian second division his employers own both clubs...they had this to say about Pearson:- Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, chief executive of King Power International, said: "Nigel is an incredibly good manager with a wealth of knowledge, good people skills and a strong winner's mentality. He will put OHL on track for the next few years." Enough said about Nigel and Craig.

On the subject of blaming Pardew you comments are a bit ambiguous to say the least...you did say "it's time to blame Pardew now"...I didn't say you actually blamed Pardew...but you are advocating that we do so now. TP had no excuses about players they were the players that he bought.
You say that Pardew is going to have the same problem....Isn't that what I was inferring in the first place...it will take time to unravel the Pulis mess. It's not swipe at Pulis because as you say he has gone now but we still have the legacy he left behind. The one saving grace is that Pardew does have a little time to establish what sort of player he going to need to best fit in with what he has...it will probably two or three windows to arrive at his own team.

As for sitting back on a 2-0 lead...I agree with you entirely, but it seems all prem managers get their teams to do it.

Your so right Murph how on earth can anyone blame Pardew he's been in the job about 10 days he's playing with cards he's been delt with from pulis which are crap probably in 50 years as a fan the most negative football I've ever seen from a West Brom team , & if people are hating Pardew now dread to think what it's going to be like in 3 weeks after Liverpool Man U Arsenal . Give him 3 years & the money pulis had then judge the man , I know the man who will be playing the more attractive football , I feel sorry for Pardew a little bit because he's on a hiding to nothing .

[baggieal]

You are right on lots of things there Al and when we played a balanced team we played some awesome games such as last season at Leicester and a few more game which do not readily come to mind but there were several.

Definitely right in saying the problems run deeper...the back room boys are slack and not on the ball...Garlick took over from Dan and had to be removed because he wasn't up to standard and no doubt the problems go much deeper.

The problems do run deeper and Peace was very shrewd in getting the cash and doing a runner! Pulis pissed me off with the team selection against Huddersfield but my guess this was tactical - getting his contract paid up and the hole was already dug! Still say whether you liked Pulis or not, he still did a lot of good - more good than bad in my opinion!

I don't buy the fact though that Pardew has to unravel a mess - the team finished 10th last year and no such thing in luck over a season in the premiership. Players should raise their game for any new manager, and must say on Saturday's performance against the worst team in the premiership - we were woeful. Sorry, but you can't blame Pulis for that. Don't buy the fact either that Pardew needs a lot more players.

Many were saying Pulis had to go as West Brom had the best squad ever and our position in the league on this basis was a disaster.

So over to you Pardew - with a better squad than last year ( fact ), what are you going to do about it and we are only just in December??????????

[goodlordmurphy]

The problems do run deeper and Peace was very shrewd in getting the cash and doing a runner! Pulis pissed me off with the team selection against Huddersfield but my guess this was tactical - getting his contract paid up and the hole was already dug! Still say whether you liked Pulis or not, he still did a lot of good - more good than bad in my opinion!

I don't buy the fact though that Pardew has to unravel a mess - the team finished 10th last year and no such thing in luck over a season in the premiership. Players should raise their game for any new manager, and must say on Saturday's performance against the worst team in the premiership - we were woeful. Sorry, but you can't blame Pulis for that. Don't buy the fact either that Pardew needs a lot more players.

Many were saying Pulis had to go as West Brom had the best squad ever and our position in the league on this basis was a disaster.

So over to you Pardew - with a better squad than last year ( fact ), what are you going to do about it and we are only just in December??????????

Knowing how you feel about Pulis perhaps 'mess' was the wrong phrase to use...sorry for that Al.

We created enough chances against Swansea to have won the match fairly easily...a new forward line and a right back this window should see us ok this season....but get 'em early in the window no more last day bollox...down to the slow coaches in the back room again.

[baggieal]

Knowing how you feel about Pulis perhaps 'mess' was the wrong phrase to use...sorry for that Al.

We created enough chances against Swansea to have won the match fairly easily...a new forward line and a right back this window should see us ok this season....but get 'em early in the window no more last day bollox...down to the slow coaches in the back room again.

I thought Pulis going was right but did say - be careful what you wish for! Many on the board and at the ground said football was even more dire with the best squad ever at West Brom this year. So for all those comments - consider we finished 10th last year, and we have a better squad this year - confidence should be at a high with any new manager so over to you Pardew - tick tock

No excuses Pardew and yes you need time to bring across your ideas etc etc. But on the other hand, we still finished 10th last year and even those who wanted Pulis out - said we had a better squad this year!!!! So what are you going to do Alan to get these points?

[Whicka_Mon]

I thought Pulis going was right but did say - be careful what you wish for! Many on the board and at the ground said football was even more dire with the best squad ever at West Brom this year. So for all those comments - consider we finished 10th last year, and we have a better squad this year - confidence should be at a high with any new manager so over to you Pardew - tick tock

No excuses Pardew and yes you need time to bring across your ideas etc etc. But on the other hand, we still finished 10th last year and even those who wanted Pulis out - said we had a better squad this year!!!! So what are you going to do Alan to get these points?

You and a thousand others used the dire, boring, unambitious statement " Be careful what you wish for". There was also many on here and at the ground who questioned the signing of Barry, the constant search for centrehalves and defensive midfielders at the time. Lets make a list of the rubbish signed by Pulis that the next manager (in this case Pardew) has been left to work with. Livermore, HRK, Rondon, McClean, Nyom, Burke, Rodriguez, The pole, every one of them useless. I'll tell you what i'll give you a glass hammer then blame you for not knocking nails in with it.

[Johnny on the spot 1]

You and a thousand others used the dire, boring, unambitious statement " Be careful what you wish for". There was also many on here and at the ground who questioned the signing of Barry, the constant search for centrehalves and defensive midfielders at the time. Lets make a list of the rubbish signed by Pulis that the next manager (in this case Pardew) has been left to work with. Livermore, HRK, Rondon, McClean, Nyom, Burke, Rodriguez, The pole, every one of them useless. I'll tell you what i'll give you a glass hammer then blame you for not knocking nails in with it.

So true Whicka 9 players their 7 a complete waste of money 1 loan who is absolutely rubbish the only exception is Barry been a very very good player over the years just to old now , good post mate 👍