Yet more lies perpetuating panic

[Returnofrros]

Ok,let's take that figure of 100k dead. Now I will be extremely generous,and say that half of them were hit by a bus/had a heart attack/drowned/died of old age, or whatever other possible reason.

That still leaves 50 thousand people in the UK that would still be alive if not for covid.

That's 50,000 families. Do you want to tell those families they are grieving for someone to present a statistic to scare the public?

And if it is the case that numbers are being used falsely,what's the reason behind that? What does anyone have to gain from presenting numbers in that way?

I find it hard to believe even Boris and his chums would intentionally mislead the public just for shiggles.

You could almost make a case for misrepresentation to scare the public into following the advice given around the virus,but 50k probably works as well as 100k, so again,if it is all lies,who gains from those lies?

It wouldn't be all those people alive.

Sage minuted meeting with Boris and cabinet....."the public ain't sufficiently scared enough"

[Returnofrros]

It's like me saying every suicide and heart attack during lockdown was because of lockdown due to people's mental state and lack of exercise.......Obviously this would be a false assumption but it's exactly what govt and their cheerleaders and lockdown fanatics are doing with the 100k figure.

[grantzer]

It wouldn't be all those people alive.

Sage minuted meeting with Boris and cabinet....."the public ain't sufficiently scared enough"

I could make the argument that sage felt if people were not scared,they would not follow the guidance. I know they were using psychological profiling at the time. And 50,000 give or take. Or 50k who would not have died when they did,give or take.....

[Returnofrros]

I could make the argument that sage felt if people were not scared,they would not follow the guidance. I know they were using psychological profiling at the time. And 50,000 give or take. Or 50k who would not have died when they did,give or take.....

You shouldn't have to scare people by exaggerating the truth, remember they said...

1 million dead later reduced to 500k.

70% of over 70 year olds hospitalised.

4000 dead per week if we have Xmas

Hospitals always being overwhelmed.

There's been around 60 odd thousand deaths last year than 5 year ave if I mind right.

How many of those people would have been taken within a few months?

How many would have been taken by normal flu?

How many would be alive if they still had family contact?

How many would be alive if they had received cancer stroke or heart attack treatment when required.

Some of your points are very valid but please the 100k figure is impossible to debate.

[Taintedice]

You shouldn't have to scare people by exaggerating the truth, remember they said...

1 million dead later reduced to 500k.

70% of over 70 year olds hospitalised.

4000 dead per week if we have Xmas

Hospitals always being overwhelmed.

There's been around 60 odd thousand deaths last year than 5 year ave if I mind right.

How many of those people would have been taken within a few months?

How many would have been taken by normal flu?

How many would be alive if they still had family contact?

How many would be alive if they had received cancer stroke or heart attack treatment when required.

Some of your points are very valid but please the 100k figure is impossible to debate.

All these stats were without a lockdown, are the covidiots really this dense or just desperately scrabbling around to prove themselves right as over 1000 die in England every day.

ONS put excess deaths in England at 70,000. These are not people who would have died anyway, this is why they are recorded as excess deaths.

Also in 2018-19, 4000 people died of flu.

[BCram]

All these stats were without a lockdown, are the covidiots really this dense or just desperately scrabbling around to prove themselves right as over 1000 die in England every day.

ONS put excess deaths in England at 70,000. These are not people who would have died anyway, this is why they are recorded as excess deaths.

Also in 2018-19, 4000 people died of flu.

Genuine question, how are excess deaths calculated? It seems odd that the figure for covid deaths is 100k and yet the excess deaths are 70k.

[Taintedice]

Genuine question, how are excess deaths calculated? It seems odd that the figure for covid deaths is 100k and yet the excess deaths are 70k.

It's a simple comparison of total deaths in 2020 with a rolling 5-year average. What it says is that 30k out of the 100k would have died in 2020 without covid, which is easily understood as many of the victims were people with not long to go anyway. This is the whole rationale behind the right-wing conspiracy theories, people are old and would die anyway. What they refuse to believe is that the virus left unchecked would have killed far more outside of care homes and hospitals. Just check Maunus in Brazil.

[Deeranged]

Genuine question, how are excess deaths calculated? It seems odd that the figure for covid deaths is 100k and yet the excess deaths are 70k.

Excess deaths are calculated by taking the typical number of deaths over a period for the preceding years then taking that number from the number of deaths in the corresponding period being analyzed. The remaining number can be considered excess although obviously it isn't absolutely accurate.

There were 616,000 deaths in the UK in 2018. Can't find any details for 2020 but would hope Tainted will know this. If it isn't at least 716,000 somebody's theory is blasted right out of the water.

[Taintedice]

Excess deaths are calculated by taking the typical number of deaths over a period for the preceding years then taking that number from the number of deaths in the corresponding period being analyzed. The remaining number can be considered excess although obviously it isn't absolutely accurate.

There were 616,000 deaths in the UK in 2018. Can't find any details for 2020 but would hope Tainted will know this. If it isn't at least 716,000 somebody's theory is blasted right out of the water.

Again, you're having to resort to manipulating stats to try and prove covid isn't a deadly virus. If you are right, the stats should be massively in your favour but there isn't a single one that aids your case.

[Taintedice]

It should also be noted that excess deaths in the UK in January and February 2020 were below the 5-year average.

So what happened in March to cause an explosion in the death rates, I've no idea, anyone?