Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Cue tirades against the lies told surrounding the consequences of Brexit of course only by one side, the appalling right wing media (but the left were perfectly OK) and so on!! It was a fix, waah waah, Im going to tell Mummy.

Actually its not a left wing or a right wing issue - one of the reasons Corbyn was useless was because he was actually in favour of Brexit, as were many trade unions whilst there were (until Johnson purged them from the party) numerous Tory politicians and supporters who didn't favour Brexit.

Yes there were lies told by both sides during the campaign, though the big ones such as the ?350 million paid to the EU, which was actually half that after rebates, the idea pushed by Farage and others that Turkey was about to join and there would be thousands of Turks migrating into the UK soon, being just the obvious ones.

It was badly handled by cocky Cameron who thought it would be an easy way to silence the euro sceptics the Tory party and who didn't set up the referendum properly, so that there would be a minimum threshold for it to go through, but a simple majority.

There was no clear explanation as to what leaving the EU would mean, the Leave side certainly had no vision or plan for Brexit, lets face it Johnson only joined leave because he thought that would be best for his political career, he didn't believe in it, doubt if he even knew what the consequences would be. and the remain side didn't believe they would lose.

In any case, as with all these things, the average person was fooled and suffers the consequences, many just made hay whilst the sun shined and haven't suffered the consequences. In fact for me it was a plus in many ways, but it was an economic disaster for the country and has impacted negatively in many ways, often indirectly.

Did Mummy comfort you by the way?

[Geoff Parkstone]

"...that Turkey was about to join and there would be thousands of Turks migrating into the UK soon, being just the obvious ones."

Again he was sort of right, just that the migrants were generic Moslems rather than just Turks, and staying in might have helped stop it!

[MadAmster]

"...that Turkey was about to join and there would be thousands of Turks migrating into the UK soon, being just the obvious ones."

Again he was sort of right, just that the migrants were generic Moslems rather than just Turks, and staying in might have helped stop it!

The EU offered to keep the agreement whereby we could simply return illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers to the mainland. Good old BoJo said "no thanks, scrap it". Not a verbatim quote of course but that's it in a nutshell.

[swaledale]

"...that Turkey was about to join and there would be thousands of Turks migrating into the UK soon, being just the obvious ones."

Again he was sort of right, just that the migrants were generic Moslems rather than just Turks, and staying in might have helped stop it!

Mm "sort of right" is a bit like being a "little bit pregnant" isn't it. Again he wasn't telling the truth he was promoting lies and falsehoods, this equivocating about Farage being "right" on some issues, is rather the equivalent of giving Hitler credit for reinvigorating the German economy or Mussolini making the trains run on time!

NO he wasn't sort of right, he told an outright lie and not all migrants are Muslims in any case.

Yes Brexit and the lack of a deal on Asylum with the EU is a root cause of the boat crossing issue, as much as it is an issue. That and a Tory government who failed to process asylum claims leaving thousands in limbo and at large in the UK!

You seem also to be happy that somebody who promoted a cause like Brexit, using lies and falsehoods and without stating at anytime what his vision and plan for it was, is now virtually admitting it was a **** up, without admitting his part in that **** up! That I find rather strange for somebody who is keen to knit pick and be pedantic about others posts!

[Andy_Faber]

Cue tirades against the lies told surrounding the consequences of Brexit of course only by one side, the appalling right wing media (but the left were perfectly OK) and so on!! It was a fix, waah waah, Im going to tell Mummy.

Does the ?right wing media? include BBC, currently in the doggy doo not only for underplaying Israeli casualties in the current conflict but also for what to my ears is one of the most crass bits of cut and paste I?ve ever heard, El Trumpo?s Jan6 speech? I?m sure I?ve mentioned broadcast media manipulating the masses before, maybe not.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Probably wouldn't include the BBC who seem to be much more focussed on trying to underplay 11 attempted murders on a train in Huntingdon as a minor kerfuffle just now

[ramAnag]

Probably wouldn't include the BBC who seem to be much more focussed on trying to underplay 11 attempted murders on a train in Huntingdon as a minor kerfuffle just now

I’ll pass on the nonsense you’ve written about Farage and Brexit recently, but can you explain the above comment please.
I know you think I’m nothing more than a left wing, liberal, elitist, rural, retiree, but htf do you reach that conclusion?
At least 90% of the news coverage I’ve seen of this horrible event has probably been via the BBC and it seems to have been fair, responsible and entirely objective imo.

[SithHappens]

He did pardon all the rioters though didn't he? Surely an act no one can support or excuse.

So agree BBC shouldn't be editing his speeches. But he certainly is not a victim here.

[Andy_Faber]

He did pardon all the rioters though didn't he? Surely an act no one can support or excuse.

So agree BBC shouldn't be editing his speeches. But he certainly is not a victim here.

I'd say slightly different, he WAS innocent re the speech but yes, subsequently pardoning the rioters was a bad move

What's not in doubt is that you and I are amongst millions who are paying the BBC to lie to us

[swaledale]

I'd say slightly different, he WAS innocent re the speech but yes, subsequently pardoning the rioters was a bad move

What's not in doubt is that you and I are amongst millions who are paying the BBC to lie to us

Thats ironic coming from someone who posts lies and fails to acknowledge it. But then maybe lies in your view are defined as material that doesn't fit your narrow view and dogma?

Your naïve to think that any media output or indeed social media output isn't edited or in many cases presented from a certain point of view.

Your bias is clear, when you call out the BBC for doing this but then maybe you've been spending too much time watching Geebeebies!