O/T:- Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Notsohumblepie]

You certainly make more sense than anyone else on the right here, but I think a big mistake the government made early on was advising us not to go out rather than telling us not to go out, which is what they did after a while. We now seem to be back to the advisory stage, which given the earlier failure seems highly irresponsible. At least Scotland and Wales have maintained the sensible strategy.

With respect , they aren't maintaining it, they are paying lip service to it.

The UK is policed by consent, so the police would be unable, or unwilling to act like their French, or Spanish counterparts, so it's unenforceable.

The vulnerable parts of society will still self isolate, and the lock-down has to be responsibly , and progressively eased , or your Children, and Grand children will be financially ruined for years.

[navypie]

You certainly make more sense than anyone else on the right here, but I think a big mistake the government made early on was advising us not to go out rather than telling us not to go out, which is what they did after a while. We now seem to be back to the advisory stage, which given the earlier failure seems highly irresponsible. At least Scotland and Wales have maintained the sensible strategy.

So the previous strategy was a "sensible strategy". Why didn't you say so at the time!

[Pies4u]

So kindly explain the clarity to me in this bit - "Those who could not work from home would now be encouraged to return to work - but they should avoid using public transport to get there if possible". How clear and succinct is "encouraged" to return to work? How clear and succinct is "avoid using public transport if possible"? Do they turn up to work in the morning or not? How clear and succinct is giving advice as the UK Prime Minister that other the leaders of other UK countries openly disagree with?

Apart from that, thanks for proving me right about his arse lickers being impressed.

Brilliant! The clues are there, read your own post, you’ve answered your own questions.

Just a big clue to part of it: If you can’t work from home then go to your place of work. If you can walk or cycle then do so. If not go by car but if you have no other alternative to then use public transport. If that it is not practicable, given the social distancing protocol, then you will not be able to return to work. It is pretty simple really.

[Elite_Pie]

Brilliant! The clues are there, read your own post, you’ve answered your own questions.

Just a big clue to part of it: If you can’t work from home then go to your place of work. If you can walk or cycle then do so. If not go by car but if you have no other alternative to then use public transport. If that it is not practicable, given the social distancing protocol, then you will not be able to return to work. It is pretty simple really.

So you (and the government) are saying that everyone who can't work from home and doesn't need to use public transport to get to work should go back tomorrow, it's pretty simple really.

Do you honestly believe that?

[Pies4u]

So you (and the government) are saying that everyone who can't work from home and doesn't need to use public transport to get to work should go back tomorrow, it's pretty simple really.

Do you honestly believe that?

Assuming that people apply common sense and liaise with their employer, yes. Why is it difficult?

[Elite_Pie]

Assuming that people apply common sense and liaise with their employer, yes. Why is it difficult?

It's difficult because it's so sudden and so vague. If the date for this had been set at Monday 18th May as an example it might have made a bit of sense. Because of what he said there must be thousands of employers and millions of workers not knowing what they should be doing tomorrow.
As I said before, there is no clarity at all.

[Woodypie]

It's difficult because it's so sudden and so vague. If the date for this had been set at Monday 18th May as an example it might have made a bit of sense. Because of what he said there must be thousands of employers and millions of workers not knowing what they should be doing tomorrow.
As I said before, there is no clarity at all.

For God's sake man, can't you just give it a rest once in a while. Every thread, Elite versus the rest. Blah, blah blah.

[seriouspie]

Assuming that people apply common sense and liaise with their employer, yes. Why is it difficult?

It isn't mate ......... whatever your political leaning it's been made clear. EP is currently suffering from an attack of anti Tory syndrome which he appears to catch quite regularly.

[jackal2]

You certainly make more sense than anyone else on the right here, but I think a big mistake the government made early on was advising us not to go out rather than telling us not to go out, which is what they did after a while.

For better or worse I think the initial reluctance to enforce a lockdown reflects the type of society in which we live. British/English Governments are not used to being so authoritarian and fear a public backlash if they are. Yes we have laws we have to follow and taxes we have to pay, but wherever possible the state relies on strongly advising the public what to do, rather than ordering them to do things. Even after the lockdown was enforced, I suspect the powers that be were quite surprised by just how well people initially adhered to it, how effective it was, and how long it has been sustained.

We now seem to be back to the advisory stage, which given the earlier failure seems highly irresponsible. At least Scotland and Wales have maintained the sensible strategy.

I think it's inevitable rather than irresponsible. After an impressive period of adherence I think the public's consensual support for the total lockdown has been gradually slipping over the past two weeks, which in effect make its virtually impossible to enforce. Regardless of what the Scottish and Welsh Governments say, I suspect the same 'slippage' is probably happening there, so you reach a point where you either have to return to a policy of allowing some freedom tempered by advice, or maintaining draconian measures longer than the public are willing to tolerate or listen.

The only thing you might say is that Nicola Sturgeon is 'covering her back' a bit more politically by not officially admitting that the next 'phase' is already underway. I suppose she's giving herself the option of notionally absolving herself for any relaxation in the lockdown and consequent spike in cases. I suppose she could say it's not her fault if people don't do what they are told!

[pingu_pie]

For better or worse I think the initial reluctance to enforce a lockdown reflects the type of society in which we live. British/English Governments are not used to being so authoritarian and fear a public backlash if they are. Yes we have laws we have to follow and taxes we have to pay, but wherever possible the state relies on strongly advising the public what to do, rather than ordering them to do things. Even after the lockdown was enforced, I suspect the powers that be were quite surprised by just how well people initially adhered to it, how effective it was, and how long it has been sustained.



I think it's inevitable rather than irresponsible. After an impressive period of adherence I think the public's consensual support for the total lockdown has been gradually slipping over the past two weeks, which in effect make its virtually impossible to enforce. Regardless of what the Scottish and Welsh Governments say, I suspect the same 'slippage' is probably happening there, so you reach a point where you either have to return to a policy of allowing some freedom tempered by advice, or maintaining draconian measures longer than the public are willing to tolerate or listen.

The only thing you might say is that Nicola Sturgeon is 'covering her back' a bit more politically by not officially admitting that the next 'phase' is already underway. I suppose she's giving herself the option of notionally absolving herself for any relaxation in the lockdown and consequent spike in cases. I suppose she could say it's not her fault if people don't do what they are told!

The whole Protect the NHS thing didn't last long then, did it.

Hey, I went out and clapped them a few times, but I'm a bit bored so it's time to go back outside.

Wonder how the healthcare heroes will feel about having to risk their lives treating people who don't apply Pies4u's common sense - one of my favourite oxymorons, that.