O/T Well it looks like White Lives don't matter.

[Exiletyke]

Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
Perhaps they fought through belief in their country, the value they saw in it and what it had given them?

Of course it's easy to scoff at that sort of thing now. It's terribly unfashionable in a time where staying on trend means ignoring our long history of liberal democracy (albeit blemished like every human history) and wringing our hands at past failings instead.






I know you had to bugger off quickly after posting this tripe but I supplied you with the following to enable you to give some reasoned response


over 40% of the returning soldiers were not even entitled to vote, some country some belief

After the Third Reform Act in 1884, 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote.[9] This left 40% who did not - including the poorest in society. Thus millions of soldiers returning from World War I would still not have been entitled to vote in the long overdue general election. (The last election had been in December 1910. An election had been scheduled for 1916, but was postponed to a time after the war


Care to pick up where you left off?.
As I know you would wish to clarify your position & may have forgotten how you left it

[John2]

I get that many people brought up in diffilcult circumstances may be ill equipped to make the right choice - in my work I meet such people almost every day - but to say, as you do-that they carry no fault - that they bear no responsibilty for the choices that they make is just plain wrong. And frankly, John, it's patronising and it is part of the problem as it perpetuates a victim culture rather than pointing out the real choices that people have.

You say elsewhere that you would 'invest funds in the grassroots level in creating opportunities to help level the playing field' What exactly do you mean by that?

At an individual level, I agree. As a society it is harmful to ignore the importance of personal responsibility.

That said, from a philosophical level I believe that every human on the planet is a product of their environment and DNA. I'm not even convinced we such a thing as free will, just the illusion of it.

So, and I know some people will totally misinterpret what I'm saying here, but on a philosophical level I don't believe that serial killers really had any choice.

That belief is not the same thing as saying that as a society we should tolerate everything everybody does because they 'had no choice'.

One of the key things society can do to shape its environment and improve outcomes and behaviours is create incentives and disincentives.

While on a philosophical level I feel bad for the sort of twisted environment and brain chemistry that would lead to an individual to commit crimes that lead them to a miserable life in jail, I still feel it is essential that this punishment exists and it is a behaviour we stigmatise.

So, you are right in what I think you're getting at - we do need to encourage parents to do a better job and not give them a free pass on their failings. The thing is we need to not expect this to happen by magic. If you don't do anything to change the environment, you're not going to see see any change.

I personally believe education is the solution to most of the worlds problems, and that investment in it should be a priority. I also think we need to be quite radical and creative in how we do it.

I see the obvious benefit to kids who go to grammar schools that otherwise would have been stuck in a crappy state school, but I reject the idea of placing so much emphasis on a child's path at the age of 11.

One of the ideas I had was that each area should have a 'super school' at secondary level. This would be a dynamic schooling system that had a high number of academically gifted students. The strict rule would be that every single student in the region would spend at least 1 year there, and that every student at the school would spend at least 1 year in a state school. This would be determined by a factor of student performance, and an element of chance determined by a secret (but independently operated) computer algorithm. This element of chance also makes it hard for potential employers to apply too much prestige and bias and instead focus on the thing that matters most - the skills obtained and their suitability. The super schools can also do all kinds of dynamic outreach, and create opportunities for all students to benefit from their programming and continue to be affiliated and connected.

I think it would be good for kids to experience different learning environments, and meeting kids from other schools and forming those friendships would be a good life experience.

Another key area I'd have is creating training on how to be a good parent, make it universal, and make it mandatory for parents who are failing in certain areas or in some sort of at risk welfare status. I think it should teach the skills of why its important to teach children to work hard, how to teach children how to learn, teaching children to make the most of school and not be disruptive, and also teaching parents to be aspirational for what their own children can achieve - and to celebrate with the right support that their kids may be able to exceed them in areas of schooling they failed. Really try and shift the mindset.

I don't think victim culture is the solution. But I don't think blame culture achieves anything at all either and probably just exasperates the problem.

[Yak]

Well ok that's fine .

So why would Johnson be looking to raise £20bn a year and invest in a levelling up policy if there's nothing wrong then ?

Is it just an ego trip and a waste of taxpayers or private investment funds ? , another Garden Bridge project if you will ? .

Would you be against such investment given your own circumstances and feel it's not necessary ?

I refuse to engage with someone who openly said he wished more politicians had been killed by a bomb.

You should be banned imo.

[animallittle3]

Nonsense nonetheless. Good luck to the lad. He's patently worked hard and done well for himself. He's hardly worked up from a council estate though. Mummy and Daddy were relatively well off compared to most working class people.

Good on them too.

John's upbringing is none of my business but what I will say is that you've actually inadvertently said he's done well because he had a better start than some people .

You've actually endorsed much of what I've said .

Well done .

[animallittle3]

I refuse to engage with someone who openly said he wished more politicians had been killed by a bomb.

You should be banned imo.

No I said that particularly group of politicians who through their policies in the 80's also contributed to loss of life and great deprivation .

You might also want to consider the role they played in covering up the Hillsborough disaster .

Six and two three's .

[howdydoo]

Don't point score against me. I'm not sat here watching my kids trying to make their way in life without much real help from their old dad 'Citizen Smith'.

Well done not.

I'm saying he's had an equal chance as anyone else who is provided a state education. Same teachers, same books etc. He's had no better opportunity. What he has had in all probability is better parents than most.

Unfortunately a kids household and the people who live within that household can make that equal opportunity unequal. The opportunity exists but the losers love to keep losing. A few 'wins' on a messageboard forum makes them big and clever.

Nowt like a clever ar$e.

Well done you.

[Back of the net]

No I said that particularly group of politicians who through their policies in the 80's also contributed to loss of life and great deprivation .

You might also want to consider the role they played in covering up the Hillsborough disaster .

Six and two three's .

But you did say you wished more of them had died in the bombing right ??

That in itself is shameful and I agree you shouldn’t be allowed to express those kind of views on here.

[animallittle3]

Don't point score against me. I'm not sat here watching my kids trying to make their way in life without much real help from their old dad 'Citizen Smith'.

Well done not.

I'm saying he's had an equal chance as anyone else who is provided a state education. Same teachers, same books etc. He's had no better opportunity. What he has had in all probability is better parents than most.

Unfortunately a kids household and the people who live within that household can make that equal opportunity unequal. The opportunity exists but the losers love to keep losing. A few 'wins' on a messageboard forum makes them big and clever.

Nowt like a clever ar$e.

Well done you.

Nowt clever about it , they were your words not mine .

[animallittle3]

But you did say you wished more of them had died in the bombing right ??

That in itself is shameful and I agree you shouldn’t be allowed to express those kind of views on here.

Six and two three's and what goes around comes around .

Kid I knew very well although not a close mate topped himself due to that lot .

I have my reasons .

[ragingpup]

It's nice to see a black person come on here and post this. It makes a change reading posts from white folk telling us what black folk think
all the time.

Your kids will do better than alright because it sounds like their parents don't wallow in self pity and failure.

Don't let these idiots suck you in. I see they're gunning for you already.

Jealousy.


Equal opportunity means give your kids a chance and don't poison their minds with nonsense.

Sorry Howdy? Who is gunning for Yak? Please specify? Yak put forward an articulate pov, the thrust of which I don't personally agree with as it over simplifies a very complicated situation, but it was well put and as far as I can see no one has gone gunning for him?