Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

... but if what was in their manifesto is illegal, shouldn't the HoL point that out and block it?

Not quite sure what your saying here? You stated that HOL should not be able to turf out legislation because they don't like the politics of it, my response was actually they can scrutinise, amend and delay legislation but cannot block any in reality. They cannot block anything that was included in the manifesto the government was elected on.

If a political party adopts policies in the manifesto which are illegal, one would expect the opposition parties to point this out and they would look foolish. In reality, no manifesto would include an illegal proposition, though how that is then enacted may be illegal, in which case the HOL can point this out.

When it comes to enacting such legislation, we are back to what tricky was claiming, that Civil Servants should just deliver what the politicians tell them to, but of course they are obliged to advise them where policies are/would be illegal and suggest how to avoid that.

[swaledale]

I see there is a lot of speculation as to why Johnson's aide Charlotte Owen has been made a dame at 29 with less than 5 years experience working in politics and no discernible achievement in public service to justify it. Mind you working with or for Johnson would justify danger money IMO.

It is all very strange, I'm not repeating some of the allegations on here, but it does bear greater scrutiny and I do hope the media get to the bottom of it. really not sure how that got through the scrutiny committee though!

[Andy_Faber]

It is all very strange, I'm not repeating some of the allegations on here, but it does bear greater scrutiny and I do hope the media get to the bottom of it. !

Well I’m in the media (albeit music but hey ho) and I’ve got to the bottom of it. Jobs for the boys/girls on behalf of BJ, very VERY poor vetting by the committee that ok’d it. Dames should IMO not be appointed til they look like hinge, bracket or both ie they should be of an age where they’ve delivered something. It demeans the status of those dames who got it on genuine merit in the past

[macstheman]

Nicola Sturgeon arrested now!!
It's all good stuff!!

[SithHappens]

Well I’m in the media (albeit music but hey ho) and I’ve got to the bottom of it. Jobs for the boys/girls on behalf of BJ, very VERY poor vetting by the committee that ok’d it. Dames should IMO not be appointed til they look like hinge, bracket or both ie they should be of an age where they’ve delivered something. It demeans the status of those dames who got it on genuine merit in the past

Dames have to look like men dressed as women ?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I see there is a lot of speculation as to why Johnson's aide Charlotte Owen has been made a dame at 29 with less than 5 years experience working in politics and no discernible achievement in public service to justify it. Mind you working with or for Johnson would justify danger money IMO.

It is all very strange, I'm not repeating some of the allegations on here, but it does bear greater scrutiny and I do hope the media get to the bottom of it. really not sure how that got through the scrutiny committee though!

This decision defies belief and discredits the honours system absolutely

[ramAnag]

This decision defies belief and discredits the honours system absolutely

Rog! You’re back talking sense!
Totally agree...as does the honour that went to the poor unfortunate who has to cut his hair and apparently his wife’s dog walker!

[swaledale]

Rog! You’re back talking sense!
Totally agree...as does the honour that went to the poor unfortunate who has to cut his hair and apparently his wife’s dog walker!

The fact he has a hair dresser is somewhat of a surprise!!

[SithHappens]

Seriously how many PMs would you want giving resignation honours from recent history ?

I'd say, and agree some may not agree, Thatcher, Major and Blair. Honourable mention for Brown too.

None since.

[ramAnag]

Seriously how many PMs would you want giving resignation honours from recent history ?

None. It’s anachronistic, self serving nonsense...imo.