Careless Tories!

[MadAmster]

The HoL should be an elected chamber. Their one and only job should be to vet proposed legislation, making sure it's fair, reasonable, proportionate and not breaking any Laws. End of. They should NOT turf proposed legislation because they don't like the politics behind it.

[macstheman]

Nicola Sturgeon arrested now!!
It's all good stuff!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Sorry its such a an essay Tricky but these issues cannot be covered by simple slogans or short answers, much as this government would like to do so. Also I acknowledge an error, the countries signed up to the ECHR are of course European even Turkey, though given Erdogan's direction of travel one wonders for how much longer, the others are of course not signed up to the United Nations equivalent.

You are comparing Erdogan to British politics? Errrrrrrrrrrm, ok.

BTW
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Border_ForceBorder Force - Wikipedia
Members of the BF are known as "Border Force officers" and are civil servants, part of HM's Civil Service. Powers. Staff hold a mixture of powers granted to them by their status as immigration

[swaledale]

The HoL should be an elected chamber. Their one and only job should be to vet proposed legislation, making sure it's fair, reasonable, proportionate and not breaking any Laws. End of. They should NOT turf proposed legislation because they don't like the politics behind it.

If its an elected chamber with a role as a counter balance to the commons aka the USA system, then there is no reason why they should not block legislation unless its in the manifesto of the elected government, which is how the HOL operates today, they can't actually stop legislation if it was in the manifesto the government was voted in on. However, they can act as a counter balance to stop a government promising one thing and then doing something they hadn't mentioned.

It isn't hard to devise a system which provides check on the government without preventing them from implementing policies that they were elected to implement. The hardest bit is getting rid of the 800 or so currently in the HOL>

[MadAmster]

If its an elected chamber with a role as a counter balance to the commons aka the USA system, then there is no reason why they should not block legislation unless its in the manifesto of the elected government, which is how the HOL operates today, they can't actually stop legislation if it was in the manifesto the government was voted in on. However, they can act as a counter balance to stop a government promising one thing and then doing something they hadn't mentioned.

It isn't hard to devise a system which provides check on the government without preventing them from implementing policies that they were elected to implement. The hardest bit is getting rid of the 800 or so currently in the HOL>

... but if what was in their manifesto is illegal, shouldn't the HoL point that out and block it?

[swaledale]

... but if what was in their manifesto is illegal, shouldn't the HoL point that out and block it?

Not quite sure what your saying here? You stated that HOL should not be able to turf out legislation because they don't like the politics of it, my response was actually they can scrutinise, amend and delay legislation but cannot block any in reality. They cannot block anything that was included in the manifesto the government was elected on.

If a political party adopts policies in the manifesto which are illegal, one would expect the opposition parties to point this out and they would look foolish. In reality, no manifesto would include an illegal proposition, though how that is then enacted may be illegal, in which case the HOL can point this out.

When it comes to enacting such legislation, we are back to what tricky was claiming, that Civil Servants should just deliver what the politicians tell them to, but of course they are obliged to advise them where policies are/would be illegal and suggest how to avoid that.

[swaledale]

I see there is a lot of speculation as to why Johnson's aide Charlotte Owen has been made a dame at 29 with less than 5 years experience working in politics and no discernible achievement in public service to justify it. Mind you working with or for Johnson would justify danger money IMO.

It is all very strange, I'm not repeating some of the allegations on here, but it does bear greater scrutiny and I do hope the media get to the bottom of it. really not sure how that got through the scrutiny committee though!

[Andy_Faber]

It is all very strange, I'm not repeating some of the allegations on here, but it does bear greater scrutiny and I do hope the media get to the bottom of it. !

Well I’m in the media (albeit music but hey ho) and I’ve got to the bottom of it. Jobs for the boys/girls on behalf of BJ, very VERY poor vetting by the committee that ok’d it. Dames should IMO not be appointed til they look like hinge, bracket or both ie they should be of an age where they’ve delivered something. It demeans the status of those dames who got it on genuine merit in the past

[SithHappens]

Well I’m in the media (albeit music but hey ho) and I’ve got to the bottom of it. Jobs for the boys/girls on behalf of BJ, very VERY poor vetting by the committee that ok’d it. Dames should IMO not be appointed til they look like hinge, bracket or both ie they should be of an age where they’ve delivered something. It demeans the status of those dames who got it on genuine merit in the past

Dames have to look like men dressed as women ?

[Trickytreesreds]

Well I’m in the media (albeit music but hey ho) and I’ve got to the bottom of it. Jobs for the boys/girls on behalf of BJ, very VERY poor vetting by the committee that ok’d it. Dames should IMO not be appointed til they look like hinge, bracket or both ie they should be of an age where they’ve delivered something. It demeans the status of those dames who got it on genuine merit in the past

Shouldn't that be true to Knighthoods as well?

Some of the characters who have one of them are laughable.
I was brought up under the stories of the knights of the round table, where honour/courage/bravery/servitude/ acts of splendour were the virtue of being one.

Now days you can be a Phil Green or Starmer where honour, trust or note worthy actions are distinctly lacking.
Like politics, the orders are tainted and soured by cads and nobodies.
You scratch my back