Official Nelmsy Campus Countdown

[Returnofrros]

Just another thought would it not be feasible to put traffic lights on Kingsway like they have between forfar Rd and old glamis.

No that I want to leave Dens but I'm gagging for council to approve just to see what Nelmsy will build.....if anything.

[Deeranged]

Just another thought would it not be feasible to put traffic lights on Kingsway like they have between forfar Rd and old glamis.

No that I want to leave Dens but I'm gagging for council to approve just to see what Nelmsy will build.....if anything.

All that's needed is revised sequencing at Myrekirk and temporary traffic restrictions or, at a push, temporary traffic lights at the exit point. Might inconvenience the average traveler to the tune of five minutes, once a fortnight 10 months a year. Hardly an entire new housing estate worth of inconvenience.

I'm the same, I want to see it green lighted so we can get to the next delay.

[Dodbroon]

There are several posters on the DBF who do not think that there will any transport problems when the new stadium is built at Campy Nou.
They have a shock coming to them.
One poster stated that NCR used to employ 5,000 people and their employees had no problems getting to work walking across the Kingsway.
The correct figure was almost 10,000 people at its peak employed by NCR in Dundee and they worked in various factories on the industrial estate which is now called the Dunsinane Industrial Estate but it was previously called the Dryburgh Industrial Estate.
The NCR Camperdown factory was the first NCR factory in Dundee to be built and it probably had a workforce of about 1,000 people most of whom even up to the early 1960’s travelled to their work by foot or public transport.
Another poster stated that hundreds of people walked across the Kingsway to get to their work at Timex.
Back then the Kingsway was the bypass of Dundee with a single lane carriageway from the Camperdown roundabout to the Crematorium roundabout not the main trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen with a dual carriageway and a barrier in the middle.
One poster stated that the new stadium development site is being built on brownfield land.
This is nonsense.
The new stadium development site is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields which included football pitches, a cricket pitch, bowling green and tennis courts.
I have played bowls for Lochee Private Bowling Club against NCR Bowling Club on the the bowling green in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have also played tennis on the tennis courts in the NCR Camperdown grounds.
Dundee Football Club first team players used to train on the football pitches in the NCR Camperdown grounds and I have watched them training when Archie Knox was the manager.
If the directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited had ensured that former NCR playing fields had been properly maintained the area would not now look like a wilderness.
Another poster stated that people parked their cars around Dens Park on match days with no problems so there would no problem parking their cars in the streets of the housing schemes directly across the Kingsway from the new stadium.
This poster is obviously not aware of the new parking restrictions in the areas around Dens Park and Tannadice Park every time there is a league or cup match being played.
Interestingly none of the posters on the DBF mentioned the main transport problem which is the Myrekirk roundabout which has traffic lights on it.
All traffic travelling to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou whether it is from the north, south, east or west has to negotiate the traffic lights at the Myrekirk roundabout to get to the new stadium car parks at Campy Nou.
Back in the 1960’s when hundreds of people were walking across the Kingsway to their work in Timex most Dundee FC supporters walked to home games at Dens Park or took public transport.
Nowadays the vast majority of Dundee FC supporters attending home games at Dens Park take their own car with few people walking to the game or using the Xplore Dundee buses to get there.
It will be worse with the new stadium at Campy Nou being built on the outskirts of Dundee.

I have read your lengthy take on the Camperdown Project and tbh don’t disagree with all you write. Like many Dees my heart is still with Dens but my head tends towards the new project. I also agree that eventual agreed planning permission does not automatically mean the place will be built however welcome it will be. I agree again like many that there are arguments on both sides pro and against Camperdown and that while there are a few on here that are 100% in favour and the majority are just wanting to know if it is to go ahead and mildly in favour but there are none so opposed as you Islay. Your opposition borders on an obsession and in some ways is bizarre in its intensity. Imo no true supporter of the club would be quite so negative and I reckon you let your hatred of JN cloud your judgement. Can you explain your campaign against Camperdown in any other way?

[islaydarkblue]

I have read your lengthy take on the Camperdown Project and tbh don’t disagree with all you write. Like many Dees my heart is still with Dens but my head tends towards the new project. I also agree that eventual agreed planning permission does not automatically mean the place will be built however welcome it will be. I agree again like many that there are arguments on both sides pro and against Camperdown and that while there are a few on here that are 100% in favour and the majority are just wanting to know if it is to go ahead and mildly in favour but there are none so opposed as you Islay. Your opposition borders on an obsession and in some ways is bizarre in its intensity. Imo no true supporter of the club would be quite so negative and I reckon you let your hatred of JN cloud your judgement. Can you explain your campaign against Camperdown in any other way?

I have been totally against the new stadium being built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields from day one.
Unlike a lot Dundee FC supporters I believe in stating my views and not waiting until there is traffic chaos before and after the first league game at the new stadium with the same Dundee FC supporters then stating this is a disaster and we should have done something about it before it was too late.
I have previously posted my detailed reasons why I am totally against the new stadium being built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
You should remember that the Yanks stated when they acquired a majority shareholding in Dundee Football Club Limited that they would buy back Dens Park for the Dundee FC supporters who could repay over a period of time.
I bitterly regret voting in favour of FPS acquiring a majority shareholding in Dundee Football Club Limited in August 2013.

[Dodbroon]

Islay in your vastly superior knowledge of such planning matters can you explain just how much of a commercial/industrial site can be ‘green’ i e gardens, grass verges and incorporated sports areas and still considered brownfield. There must be some sort of proportional formula because surely say a modest grassy border around a factory would be an integral part of the said premises but if the factory and other buildings only take up less than say 50% of the land the answer would likely be different.

[islaydarkblue]

Islay in your vastly superior knowledge of such planning matters can you explain just how much of a commercial/industrial site can be ‘green’ i e gardens, grass verges and incorporated sports areas and still considered brownfield. There must be some sort of proportional formula because surely say a modest grassy border around a factory would be an integral part of the said premises but if the factory and other buildings only take up less than say 50% of the land the answer would likely be different.

I enclose details of examples of Brownfield sites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownfield_land
In my opinion the current Camperdown retail park where ice rink, cinema, Premier Inn hotel and various eating/take away establishments are situated was built on a Brownfield site as the current Camperdown retail park was built on the site of the former NCR Camperdown factory plus associated car parks.
The report by the Dundee Civic Trust states that the site of the new stadium development is not being built on a Brownfield site as it is being built on the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
I do not know if you are aware that the NCR in Dundee was way ahead of its time with an excellent sports and social club and very well maintained playing fields beside the NCR Camperdown factory.

[eric_sinclair]

Dens is not fit for purpose,the 2 older stands are almost a health hazard so we have 2 choices,major refurb of dens or move to a new stadium.
Our owners are trying to move,it looks like they have invested cash to make it happen.
The fans are sceptical due to not much happening in the years since it was planned.I prefer dens but think if the club are to move forward and try and get some new or returning fans a new ground would probably be more beneficial.

[Returnofrros]

Article in courier today Fae some blogger.

Again all very very very generic stuff on why we shud move with little or no evidence to back it up.

Don't think insulting the civic trust will help matters either.

Again if it's all about crowds how come Nelmsy does pretty much nothing to increase crowds at Dens or very very slow to do so.

I think if this is built ( or st m type stadium built ) people are gonna be a bit shocked at no huge upturn in crowds.

I think midweek crowds in particular will suffer.

[eric_sinclair]

Article in courier today Fae some blogger.

Again all very very very generic stuff on why we shud move with little or no evidence to back it up.

Don't think insulting the civic trust will help matters either.

Again if it's all about crowds how come Nelmsy does pretty much nothing to increase crowds at Dens or very very slow to do so.

I think if this is built ( or st m type stadium built ) people are gonna be a bit shocked at no huge upturn in crowds.

I think midweek crowds in particular will suffer.

Could it be that dens is not worth refurbishing so they need to move?Ive nae idea how you would even start to sort out the south enclosure and the land behind it.The main stand would be far easier but I think they are looking at ways to generate more cash like st johnstone do.

[islaydarkblue]

Could it be that dens is not worth refurbishing so they need to move?Ive nae idea how you would even start to sort out the south enclosure and the land behind it.The main stand would be far easier but I think they are looking at ways to generate more cash like st johnstone do.

St Johnstone were fortunate.
They were donated the land for McDiarmid Park by a retired farmer Bruce McDiarmid who had received a lot money selling his land for the western bypass of Perth and they sold Muirton Park to ASDA providing the owners of Perth Ice Rink which was next door to Muirton Park also sold the ice rink to ASDA.
The days of supermarket companies purchasing Football grounds are long gone.
Tesco purchased St Mirren’s ground at Love Street but due to a downturn in trading Tesco never built their supermarket at Love Street and they subsequently sold the site which now has social housing on it.
You also need to remember that St Johnstone FC are the sole professional football club in Perth whereas in Dundee it is unlikely that Dundee United supporters will be cremated in the crematorium at Campy Nou nor use the restaurants in the football stadium for funeral teas.
The profits from the bars and restaurants in the new stadium will go to the owners of the site to repay their loans to pay for the cost of the new stadium which alone was reported to cost between £40 million and £50 million two years ago.