O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

"The award winning reporter, Andrew Norfolk, who broke the grooming scandal says that far from covering up the problem, Starmer made the prosecutions possible"

Political point-scoring is gross, and it only happened because Elon is various shades of lunatic and decided to tweet about something he briefly read and knew nothing about.

... Although that's the general concensus with outrage innit? Let's have a bare bones understanding but knuckledrag and be mad.

He needs to stay out of politics, never mind fund German and UK far right groups.

https://x.com/gideonrachman/status/1...9aht9Ln1JSLdNg

Who are the 'far right groups' you refer to?

Meanwhile,

In August 2017 The Times published an article by Norfolk headlined "Christian child forced into Muslim foster care" about a foster placement in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets.[9] The borough council complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), which ruled that the story was riddled with inaccuracies. IPSO required The Times to run the ruling in the front page of its print edition and in its online edition.[10][11][12] Norfolk has since said that with hindsight, he would not write the story again.[13]

[KCNotts]

against my better judgement... anyone can prove anything online I guess, so I won't bother but it doesn't feel nice to have people challenge my honesty, so... I've actually lived and worked in more countries than that, but 3 long term (4 incl UK), and really don't care what you believe as your compass is waaaaay doolally. To be fair though you're partly right as one of the countries I wasn't a full legal immigrant, just on work visas but for nearly a decade, the others I had to do the full paperwork.

Think you'll find you're not as special as you seem to think you are. Off the top of my head, Driller, NW6, ThaiPie, and Slack, and many others have referred to spending extended time living and working in other countries.



except I've NEVER said that, so....



bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

I also lived abroad for 7 years Mud, and it was initially a wonderful experience. But when i look back I cringe at my behaviour. For the first few years I just hung around with other expats frequenting expat hotspots around town. I was unaware of my white privilege which got me the job in the first place and i was very arrogant. Towards the end of my stay i was incredibly lonely.

Living in other countries absolutely broadens the mind and I'd recommend it to anyone who has the means for a year or two. But the main thing i took away from my experience was realising how thankful I am to be from Britain and how lucky I am to be able to live here. It really makes you appreciate what you have back home. All countries have their problems.

Everyone is different of course.

[slack_pie]

That's exactly what it's about, and my number one priority is just the same as yours - having close family close nearby. My three daughters are all within a 15 minute walk or drive, so I couldn't ask for more. My secondary pleasures are having the footy team I've supported for 53 years easily accessible, lots of racecourses within an easy drive, a test and county cricket ground close by, and lots of parks and country walks in the area. Nowhere else in the world can offer me that.

For sure, there are all sorts of reasons why England is a great place to live. A lot of them tend to be subjective though, like having family here or a footy club you love. Or simply feeling like you belong - that's a big one.

Personally, I'd love to live somewhere where the weather is nicer as that has a tangible impact on my overall wellbeing, probably more so than any other factor outside of my family. I'd also like to live in a country that isn't in decline, where cities are safer, where the health service works, and so on.

Having lived abroad in a relatively small country with a much smaller GDP per capita, I can safely say that a lot of things worked better there.

And on the subject of living broad - it isn't for everyone, but it's certainly one of the best ways to understand your own country better. Not just how things work (or don't), but all those little nuances of the culture.

[keldsyke]

Don't make the common error though of confusing people who are anti-immigration and people who are anti-illegal immigration.

I'm not sure who they are - from my experience on NCM, the majority are either pro-open immigration or pro-controlled immigration.


However, you are close to a weird thing I noticed, since moving abroad.

You tend to find that people who have emigrated to another country legally, are the most ardent supporters of enforcing that country's immigration system. It may be because they have experienced the damage that an unregulated immigration system can do.

Spot on, after living and working in the EU I have experienced the abuse of going to another country and being called out for taking a potential natural residents job and asked numerous times why I am not back in my own country by the locals. If you have only have lived in the same country and not experienced life from the other side then you have not seen it from all angles. The point about pro-open immigration and pro-controlled immigration is spot on too, we need immigration but it needs to be controlled, most arriving on boats are not fleeing tyranny they see the bright lights and that is what attracts them, as someone who has gone into another culture you understand from the feelings you experience that you have to fit in mainly to the culture that you have arrived in, you will always be who and what you are but you have to make the effort so you can see why when an immigrant commits crime etc that the local residents get angry and questions why they are there.

The friends and colleagues I made while living and working abroad and still have contact with and see are some of the best people I have ever met in my life, but I had to make the effort to gain their trust at first. The fact is in summary, when you have been part of the whole being / living / working in a different country you see things differently but things have to be in a controlled and managed situation .

I heard a really good example recently if a stranger comes down your garden path you expect them to knock on your door and wait until someone answers, you do not expect a stranger to walk down your garden path and let themselves in and make themselves at home. Its funny that when you come back to your place of birth and you see what is going off after being in a similar position you do not accept it as you know the lack of respect being shown by people coming here is not what you have given when the situation was reversed.

[Lullapie]

against my better judgement... anyone can prove anything online I guess, so I won't bother but it doesn't feel nice to have people challenge my honesty, so... I've actually lived and worked in more countries than that, but 3 long term (4 incl UK), and really don't care what you believe as your compass is waaaaay doolally. To be fair though you're partly right as one of the countries I wasn't a full legal immigrant, just on work visas but for nearly a decade, the others I had to do the full paperwork.

Think you'll find you're not as special as you seem to think you are. Off the top of my head, Driller, NW6, ThaiPie, and Slack, and many others have referred to spending extended time living and working in other countries.



except I've NEVER said that, so....



bruh! Guess you don't need an educashun in NZ to be on a PTA board.

I wrote:
There's no bigger example of bigotry than you lumping all people from a political party together as being bad. A perfect example, without you being clever enough to notice it - LOL

You wrote:
except I've NEVER said that, so....

So now you are denying saying that the National Socialist Party in Germany in the 1900s was a political party or are saying that everyone in it were equivalent to Pedophiles or Serial Killers?

The former part shows you suffer from memory loss or tell lies. The latter indicates, through your example of a bigot, that you're a bigot.

Which are you?

[Lullapie]

I'm sorry, that was rude. Can't edit it now, but consider it retracted. Rest assured, I spent a full 5 minutes on the naughty step.

No worries . The PTA I was on was not there for a standard fundraising role, but you wouldn't have known that. I was using it as an example of my experience with education in NZ, without being directly employed as an educator.

[Lullapie]

I also lived abroad for 7 years Mud, and it was initially a wonderful experience. But when i look back I cringe at my behaviour. For the first few years I just hung around with other expats frequenting expat hotspots around town. I was unaware of my white privilege which got me the job in the first place and i was very arrogant. Towards the end of my stay i was incredibly lonely.

Living in other countries absolutely broadens the mind and I'd recommend it to anyone who has the means for a year or two. But the main thing i took away from my experience was realising how thankful I am to be from Britain and how lucky I am to be able to live here. It really makes you appreciate what you have back home. All countries have their problems.

Everyone is different of course.

It's not a good experience for everyone is it? It's often a major decision for anyone to take and can take many years before that decision pays off.

[Lullapie]

For sure, there are all sorts of reasons why England is a great place to live. A lot of them tend to be subjective though, like having family here or a footy club you love. Or simply feeling like you belong - that's a big one.

Personally, I'd love to live somewhere where the weather is nicer as that has a tangible impact on my overall wellbeing, probably more so than any other factor outside of my family. I'd also like to live in a country that isn't in decline, where cities are safer, where the health service works, and so on.

Having lived abroad in a relatively small country with a much smaller GDP per capita, I can safely say that a lot of things worked better there.

And on the subject of living broad - it isn't for everyone, but it's certainly one of the best ways to understand your own country better. Not just how things work (or don't), but all those little nuances of the culture.

Brilliant post SP. It sums up my views exactly.

[Lullapie]

Who are the 'far right groups' you refer to?

Meanwhile,

In August 2017 The Times published an article by Norfolk headlined "Christian child forced into Muslim foster care" about a foster placement in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets.[9] The borough council complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), which ruled that the story was riddled with inaccuracies. IPSO required The Times to run the ruling in the front page of its print edition and in its online edition.[10][11][12] Norfolk has since said that with hindsight, he would not write the story again.[13]

The incessant referral to 'far right groups' and the threat they pose to society, is a constant that seems to come through from the left. Their insistence that everyone has to be 'on their guard' to prevent the modern day equivalent of Hitler coming to power in the world, reinforces my opinion of the politics of distraction.

If they keep pointing out the right wing menace, then we will be more susceptible to the left implementing their clandestine policies without question.

I think the new Labour government showed this with the summer riots.

[HeroPie1862]

Just remember folks

It was people like you and me that got hitler into power

It was the people that were lied to, and told immergrants were to blame.

It was the people who decided that the politicians ****ing up the country weren't to blame.

The nazis had some good ones (according to idiots here), that it was a working class, normal party.

It wasn't, every day people were brain washed into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTlAYCGAHpc