Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm. Have to disagree, in fact I?d also suggest that that?s a late contender for the daftest comment of the year. Think about it.

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

[ramAnag]

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

Lol. If it’s any consolation I feel much the same, as if I’m constantly being stalked by you and Rog.

Anyway, for clarification let’s consider. ‘Killing is killing’ you say, without further explanation. So in your world a battlefield killing is the same as a terrorist attack on a concert venue, a fatal RTA, for which weather conditions are the main contributor, is the same as a fatal RTA caused by a drunk driver or someone driving at twice the speed limit, a mercy killing (euthanasia) and a murder are the same. That’s nonsense.

But I’m not talking about people, I’m talking about animals, you protest. Okay, so is getting rid of wasps or flies that are ruining a picnic/barbecue on a par with shooting a rabbit/pheasant/duck for fun? Of course it isn’t.
In the same way killing for food cannot be compared with killing for fun, be it huntsmen after foxes/hares, or little scrotes in Derby tying a firework to a kitten or a puppy.

Had you said, people who protest about hunting and cruelty are somewhat hypocritical if they are prepared to eat factory farmed animals then you’d have some sort of point, but you didn’t, you went off in your simplistic and dogmatic way to say - and repeat - ‘killing is killing’.

I too am a meat eater and frankly I haven’t the time or the knowledge to source most of my food. I try - and certainly prefer - to eat free range stuff, but it’s not always either available or, for the majority, affordable. Either way to suggest that meat eaters are being hypocritical in opposing deliberate acts of cruelty and that ‘killing is killing’ is just nonsense imo, regardless of who wrote it.

[swaledale]

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

That is a very strange view to have, there is a big difference in killing for food, which is after all a natural action and killing for "sport" or "fun". Yes I can agree with say a vegetarian who argues that any killing is cruel or unnecessary. Thast there view and belief, though it goes against what actually happens in the natural world where nature is red in tooth and claw.

There is much that can be critcised on the differing ways food is produced, for myself I will only buy and eat meat where I know where its been raised and under what conditions. Its expensive, but then I eat good quality meat less often. Thats difficult when dining out, but then I do know where food is sourced for many places.

I don't see why you think challenging your proposition that there is no difference between killing for food or killing for sport is demeaning. Unless you have the view that every time somebody offers and alternative view to yours you feel upset. But then that woudl only be the case if your not comfortable with your view being the dominant one.

[swaledale]

Yup, agreeing with that as someone who’s participated in vermin control and seen the impact of it not being carried out (ok decades ago) - disagree with it as a sport, support it as a necessary activity. When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

Mm for a start Fox Hunting is not a necessary activity, being inefficient as vermin control. Its entirely possible to humanely control animals that are causing damage. I dislike the term vermin its an antiquated term used to justify killing animals that threaten other animals that are generally being raised to be shot as "sport".

I have absolutely no problem with killing for food, I would certainly make it part of education that people saw for themselves how animals were raised, killed and processed for food. I suspect that a good proportion would stop eating meat!

But its hardly hypocritical to be against killing any animal in a manner which is so obviously cruel and causes suffering.

[SithHappens]

Foxes? Innocent animals? Have you ever kept chickens?

Don't get me wrong, I hate hunting with a vengeance due to the arrogance of those involved thinking they can go where they want, trampling growing crops, scaring young kids and believing it's their inalienable right to do so, but don't get caught up in the innocence of foxes

Yes innocent. You seem to be suggesting foxes should only kill non domesticated animals which is ridiculous. How on earth can a wild animal distinguish?

Its a food chain. If a farmer needs to defend his animals fair enough but to hunt and torture for fun is a disgrace

[Geoff Parkstone]

They’re wild animals, GP and yes I know they can make a distressing mess of a hen house, but isn’t it up to the humans who keep them to make them secure?
Either way a farmer/keeper taking a shotgun to get rid of a troublesome fox is one thing…dressing up to cavort en masse around the countryside on horseback while glorifying the killing and tearing apart of an animal is surely another.

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

[ramAnag]

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

Appreciate that you’re not, but you’re not answering the points raised either.

[swaledale]

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

Indeed, a wild animal in a totally unatural situation, faced with limitless food, ratherperhaps like a child let loose in a sweet shop? Though attributing human values, behaviour etc onto an animal is a false premise.

A Fox is neither innocent or guilty, occasionally numbers need humane control, fox hunting is neither humane or an effective method of controlling populations.

[SithHappens]

I keep rabbits which are outdoors. Its up to me to protect them from wild animals or cats. If I fail while I will be pissed off it's my fault.

[SithHappens]

Makes me laugh Farage in the defence of hunts said we might aswell ban dog walking as dogs might chase rabbits, deer, sheep etc. It's very different and my message to Nigel is if he is incapable of controlling his dogs then he shouldn't be a dog owner.