Clough

[magpie_mania]

Surely that's only true if they are successful and Ardley isn't, neither of which are things any of us knows.

Agreed. I think he is a good appointment, but it is 1 league win!

In the FA Cup he wasn't in charge and in the week it was the tin-pot Cup.

Still, any thinly veiled excuse to moan about our manager!

[slack_pie]

Both of our Nottinghamshire neighbours have made impressive appointments in the last few weeks. Whether or not they work out is another matter, but both have made very strong statements of intent. Feels like we're going to have to get used to being the 3rd most significant club in our little corner of the world for much longer than I thought.

We aren't the third most significant club in Notts though. League position doesn't dictate significance. If it did, Leicester City would be more significant than Liverpool and Manchester United.

[upthemaggies]

We aren't the third most significant club in Notts though. League position doesn't dictate significance. If it did, Leicester City would be more significant than Liverpool and Manchester United.

They're in the same league though. Sunderland are bigger than Burnley but not more significant, you hear and see far more about Burnley and Sean Dyche. I honestly didn't know who Sunderland's manager was until I checked just now.

Notts are now a non-league club that have finished lower than Mansfield for 4 of the past 5 seasons, a division below for the past 2.

We obviously have a much greater history but with a closing of the gap between average attendances and no sign of us going back up whilst they will be almost guaranteed to climb out of trouble and push on, Stags now have a stronger claim than us to be Nottinghamshire's 2nd club.
If Radio Nottm did a deal to cover Stags with full commentaries I couldn't complain if they dropped us. Haven't watched local TV news for a while but presumably Stags will now get at least as much if not more air time with Clough in charge than us.

[slack_pie]

They're in the same league though. Sunderland are bigger than Burnley but not more significant, you hear and see far more about Burnley and Sean Dyche. I honestly didn't know who Sunderland's manager was until I checked just now.

Notts are now a non-league club that have finished lower than Mansfield for 4 of the past 5 seasons, a division below for the past 2.

We obviously have a much greater history but with a closing of the gap between average attendances and no sign of us going back up whilst they will be almost guaranteed to climb out of trouble and push on, Stags now have a stronger claim than us to be Nottinghamshire's 2nd club.
If Radio Nottm did a deal to cover Stags with full commentaries I couldn't complain if they dropped us. Haven't watched local TV news for a while but presumably Stags will now get at least as much if not more air time with Clough in charge than us.

I guess it depends on how you define 'significant.' If it's the same as 'big,' as in which club is bigger, I don't think league position really matters on its own - at least not in the short-term. You have to weigh it up with all sorts of other factors, such as history, fanbase, stadium size, silverware, club records (record signing, record sale, record attendance, etc.), etc.

So teams like Wigan, Bournemouth, and Brighton were never bigger or more significant than Leeds, despite spending several seasons at a higher level than them. Likewise, Accrington Stanley aren't a bigger or more significant club than Bradford, or Notts for that matter.

[magpie_mania]

They're in the same league though. Sunderland are bigger than Burnley but not more significant, you hear and see far more about Burnley and Sean Dyche. I honestly didn't know who Sunderland's manager was until I checked just now.

Notts are now a non-league club that have finished lower than Mansfield for 4 of the past 5 seasons, a division below for the past 2.

We obviously have a much greater history but with a closing of the gap between average attendances and no sign of us going back up whilst they will be almost guaranteed to climb out of trouble and push on, Stags now have a stronger claim than us to be Nottinghamshire's 2nd club.
If Radio Nottm did a deal to cover Stags with full commentaries I couldn't complain if they dropped us. Haven't watched local TV news for a while but presumably Stags will now get at least as much if not more air time with Clough in charge than us.

And again .... There is no sign of us going back up (1 game away) while they are almost guaranteed to climb out of trouble and push on (based on you hope they will to discredit us)

[upthemaggies]

I guess it depends on how you define 'significant.' If it's the same as 'big,' as in which club is bigger, I don't think league position really matters on its own - at least not in the short-term. You have to weigh it up with all sorts of other factors, such as history, fanbase, stadium size, silverware, club records (record signing, record sale, record attendance, etc.), etc.

So teams like Wigan, Bournemouth, and Brighton were never bigger or more significant than Leeds, despite spending several seasons at a higher level than them. Likewise, Accrington Stanley aren't a bigger or more significant club than Bradford, or Notts for that matter.

If we're going with what google throws up, it's "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.".

Historically it's Notts, no question, it's not even debate worthy, but in the here and now? There's been a debate for a while and I'd have to hand it to Stags now that they've made this big name appointment. Surely Stags will get more national as well as local media attention from this point on, as will Fword and that will change the perceptions of the ambition and potential of Nottinghamshire's clubs.
I'm not happy about it. It's painful to admit, but we are now not only being left behind by Fword but Mansfield too.

[laddo]

Don't forget this is Mansfailed's golden period , the first one since the 1970s not because they have done anything special but because their bitter rivals and local rivals are both Non League and a league below them. They've literally done nothing of any note to impact English football during my lifetime and I'm not young. They deserve some success , eventually

As for strong statements of intent, how many of those have the Red Dogs made in the past couple of decades? They are always making big name managerial appointments, spending big on players, recently going exotic with lots of oversea signings and it's got them nowhere to date.

Maybe Chris Hughton will finally change that? Let's hope not.

[i961pie]

Agreed. I think he is a good appointment, but it is 1 league win!

In the FA Cup he wasn't in charge and in the week it was the tin-pot Cup.

Still, any thinly veiled excuse to moan about our manager!

He wasn't in charge but when a new man comes in the players raise their game to impress so he probably did have an influence in that respect.

[slack_pie]

If we're going with what google throws up, it's "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.".

Historically it's Notts, no question, it's not even debate worthy, but in the here and now? There's been a debate for a while and I'd have to hand it to Stags now that they've made this big name appointment. Surely Stags will get more national as well as local media attention from this point on, as will Fword and that will change the perceptions of the ambition and potential of Nottinghamshire's clubs.
I'm not happy about it. It's painful to admit, but we are now not only being left behind by Fword but Mansfield too.

It depends what you are comparing. If the question is 'who has the best team?', clearly Mansfield do. That's been the case for a few seasons now, and it will probably be the case for a few more. But that alone doesn't make them a bigger or more significant club. A quick glance at league history and attendances will show that they aren't.

[upthemaggies]

It depends what you are comparing. If the question is 'who has the best team?', clearly Mansfield do. That's been the case for a few seasons now, and it will probably be the case for a few more. But that alone doesn't make them a bigger or more significant club. A quick glance at league history and attendances will show that they aren't.

There are a lot of variables including time frame.

I'll try and break it down as fairly but simply as I can

1.Bigger (attendance/resources)
Historically bigger: Notts
Currently bigger: Notts
On course to be bigger: Still Notts but Stags closing the gap

2.Better (players/results/league position)
Historically better: Notts
Currently better: Stags
On course to be better: Stags but can change week to week with results

3.Significant (media and neutral fan perception)
Historically significant: Notts
Currently significant: Stags *Clough effect
On course to be significant: Stags *as above but could change with results

So based on the above on Sunday 15th November 2020, who is Nottinghamshire's no.2 club?
Maybe everyone could agree to say that it's no longer as obvious as it once was.