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They're in the same league though. Sunderland are bigger than Burnley but not more significant, you hear and see far more about Burnley and Sean Dyche. I honestly didn't know who Sunderland's manager was until I checked just now.

Notts are now a non-league club that have finished lower than Mansfield for 4 of the past 5 seasons, a division below for the past 2.

We obviously have a much greater history but with a closing of the gap between average attendances and no sign of us going back up whilst they will be almost guaranteed to climb out of trouble and push on, Stags now have a stronger claim than us to be Nottinghamshire's 2nd club.
If Radio Nottm did a deal to cover Stags with full commentaries I couldn't complain if they dropped us. Haven't watched local TV news for a while but presumably Stags will now get at least as much if not more air time with Clough in charge than us.

I guess it depends on how you define 'significant.' If it's the same as 'big,' as in which club is bigger, I don't think league position really matters on its own - at least not in the short-term. You have to weigh it up with all sorts of other factors, such as history, fanbase, stadium size, silverware, club records (record signing, record sale, record attendance, etc.), etc.

So teams like Wigan, Bournemouth, and Brighton were never bigger or more significant than Leeds, despite spending several seasons at a higher level than them. Likewise, Accrington Stanley aren't a bigger or more significant club than Bradford, or Notts for that matter.

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I guess it depends on how you define 'significant.' If it's the same as 'big,' as in which club is bigger, I don't think league position really matters on its own - at least not in the short-term. You have to weigh it up with all sorts of other factors, such as history, fanbase, stadium size, silverware, club records (record signing, record sale, record attendance, etc.), etc.

So teams like Wigan, Bournemouth, and Brighton were never bigger or more significant than Leeds, despite spending several seasons at a higher level than them. Likewise, Accrington Stanley aren't a bigger or more significant club than Bradford, or Notts for that matter.

If we're going with what google throws up, it's "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.".

Historically it's Notts, no question, it's not even debate worthy, but in the here and now? There's been a debate for a while and I'd have to hand it to Stags now that they've made this big name appointment. Surely Stags will get more national as well as local media attention from this point on, as will Fword and that will change the perceptions of the ambition and potential of Nottinghamshire's clubs.
I'm not happy about it. It's painful to admit, but we are now not only being left behind by Fword but Mansfield too.

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If we're going with what google throws up, it's "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.".

Historically it's Notts, no question, it's not even debate worthy, but in the here and now? There's been a debate for a while and I'd have to hand it to Stags now that they've made this big name appointment. Surely Stags will get more national as well as local media attention from this point on, as will Fword and that will change the perceptions of the ambition and potential of Nottinghamshire's clubs.
I'm not happy about it. It's painful to admit, but we are now not only being left behind by Fword but Mansfield too.

It depends what you are comparing. If the question is 'who has the best team?', clearly Mansfield do. That's been the case for a few seasons now, and it will probably be the case for a few more. But that alone doesn't make them a bigger or more significant club. A quick glance at league history and attendances will show that they aren't.

[upthemaggies]

It depends what you are comparing. If the question is 'who has the best team?', clearly Mansfield do. That's been the case for a few seasons now, and it will probably be the case for a few more. But that alone doesn't make them a bigger or more significant club. A quick glance at league history and attendances will show that they aren't.

There are a lot of variables including time frame.

I'll try and break it down as fairly but simply as I can

1.Bigger (attendance/resources)
Historically bigger: Notts
Currently bigger: Notts
On course to be bigger: Still Notts but Stags closing the gap

2.Better (players/results/league position)
Historically better: Notts
Currently better: Stags
On course to be better: Stags but can change week to week with results

3.Significant (media and neutral fan perception)
Historically significant: Notts
Currently significant: Stags *Clough effect
On course to be significant: Stags *as above but could change with results

So based on the above on Sunday 15th November 2020, who is Nottinghamshire's no.2 club?
Maybe everyone could agree to say that it's no longer as obvious as it once was.

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There are a lot of variables including time frame.

I'll try and break it down as fairly but simply as I can

1.Bigger (attendance/resources)
Historically bigger: Notts
Currently bigger: Notts
On course to be bigger: Still Notts but Stags closing the gap

2.Better (players/results/league position)
Historically better: Notts
Currently better: Stags
On course to be better: Stags but can change week to week with results

3.Significant (media and neutral fan perception)
Historically significant: Notts
Currently significant: Stags *Clough effect
On course to be significant: Stags *as above but could change with results

So based on the above on Sunday 15th November 2020, who is Nottinghamshire's no.2 club?
Maybe everyone could agree to say that it's no longer as obvious as it once was.

Your 'on course to be' are opinions and guesses. But they back up your point of trying to prove that Mansfield are 'bigger'.

There's another criteria: History. Who wins that one?

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Your 'on course to be' are opinions and guesses. But they back up your point of trying to prove that Mansfield are 'bigger'.

There's another criteria: History. Who wins that one?

I did include a proviso for all "On course" entries, I'm not sure how much more clear and simple I could have made it that results dictate the direction of the current in that respect. We've just lost two on the trot, Stags have just won two on the trot. They're on course to be taken more seriously than Notts but that could soon change and then again it may not.

History is taken into account in biggest/best/significant with Notts ticking the box on all three. Nobody would argue that Notts aren't historically no.2, but does history make Bury bigger, better or more significant than any other league club today? They won two FA Cups and had 22 top flight seasons, 2nd tier as recently as 1999. OK they no longer exist, but Notts being non-league has been enough to rob us of our greatest claim to fame.