Martin Patterson

[legs77]

Where does Jao Alves fit into this new set up. I thought he was the assistant head coach ...

Good question no mention of him perhaps his new role is carrier pigeon sending messages to the "coaching team" on match days !

Seriously we dont have a head coach we have a puppet somebody who is going to be told what tactical decisions are made during the match no wonder it took a month as this bloke first to agree to it.

It is a complete shambles we're going to be a laughing stock might as well plug a Dell laptop in the dugout.

[marshall55]

Alves will probably revert back to date analyst.

[legs77]

Alves will probably revert back to date analyst.

Probably or the team selection meeting room isnt big enough to fit everyone in !

[LeftPeg_Pie]

I?d assume Alves would run the in-game data stuff. Would suit his background.

[the_anticlough]

Abit underwhelmed with the new manager, apparently his assistant though is very highly thought of. Feel like we've got no money these days.

Me too CF, quite a bit underwhelmed

We shouldn't have been surprised though. Were the Burchnall, Williams hires any different to Maynard and Paterson's really? They were all obscure, unexpected picks.

The Bros have the right to run the club, make these crucial picks...and then they'll have to live with the results. We are the same club that appointed Kiwomya, Fullarton, Ince, Branson - nobody would want a return to those days.

But Paterson's hire is not in the same category as Maynard's, which really was nuts, in one crucial sense.

Maynard played his football at Aylesbury and places like that, coached part-time at L6 and L5. It was always going to difficult to be the boss of seasoned pros like Didzy, JJ, Crowley, Nemane etc who had been on the books of bigger clubs. He would have to ingratiate himself to them to coach them, such a position of weakness really.

Paterson will think the opposite. He's an international capped 20+ times and plied his trade at Championship level. He'll have no inferiority complex dealing with L2 players and will be able to lead from a position of authority. He seems like his a tougher character anyway. And that make sense. It takes a winner to build a pro career, something the club missed with the last hire.

[legs77]

Sorry Maynard is more qualified than this bloke.

I dont care what level he has played at its BS to bring it up as its all about man management.

Now Mourinho played for NOBODY of note but he got world class players to run through brick walls for him.

Id now argue our owners strategy is the problem & not the head coach.

What does "in game data" mean ? The manager is basically being given information overload when his job in Paterson case is to make football decisions what if he doesnt agree with data & his footballing insticts tell him its wrong ?

90% of fans are going to hammer him if results are poor but how can they when he has pretty much limited control and thats being kind.

Im worried about this set up and the DOF appalling record elsewhere seems to be making big calls.

[LeftPeg_Pie]

What does "in game data" mean ? The manager is basically being given information overload when his job in Paterson case is to make football decisions what if he doesnt agree with data & his footballing insticts tell him its wrong ?

Patterson is not going to have an earpiece in which will have a coach consistently talking to him, relaying stats every second of every minute for 90+ minutes.

But the data will be able to map the game as it happens and pick up on certain things a Head Coach may not see from the touchline.

For example, a data model might pick up that a certain opposition player who plays in a certain position (say a Right Back) positions himself in a certain way (say engages with a winger/wing back aggressively when they receive the ball) that if we adapted how we moved the ball, we could exploit that positioning.

So, say Right Back X plays against Jarvis, and closes him down quickly when Jarvis hugs the touchline, but this creates a gap between Right Back X and Centre Half Y, you may bring our 10 into that channel and also encourage Bedeau to push on by either (a) overlapping or (b) underlapping so he can (a) create more space inside for the 10 or (b) create an overload inside.

With everything else going on, a Head Coach might not see that straight away. But the data, mapping the game, will see that - there?s your tactical advantage. The data is simply another coach who can process more data. Obviously, the human coaching reading the data needs to be up to it, as they need to spot it too. But with more eyes on the game, in both physical and data guises, you give yourself more scope to be successful.

[Big Bob]

Poor appointment. God help us

[legs77]

Patterson is not going to have an earpiece in which will have a coach consistently talking to him, relaying stats every second of every minute for 90+ minutes.

But the data will be able to map the game as it happens and pick up on certain things a Head Coach may not see from the touchline.

For example, a data model might pick up that a certain opposition player who plays in a certain position (say a Right Back) positions himself in a certain way (say engages with a winger/wing back aggressively when they receive the ball) that if we adapted how we moved the ball, we could exploit that positioning.

So, say Right Back X plays against Jarvis, and closes him down quickly when Jarvis hugs the touchline, but this creates a gap between Right Back X and Centre Half Y, you may bring our 10 into that channel and also encourage Bedeau to push on by either (a) overlapping or (b) underlapping so he can (a) create more space inside for the 10 or (b) create an overload inside.

With everything else going on, a Head Coach might not see that straight away. But the data, mapping the game, will see that - there?s your tactical advantage. The data is simply another coach who can process more data. Obviously, the human coaching reading the data needs to be up to it, as they need to spot it too. But with more eyes on the game, in both physical and data guises, you give yourself more scope to be successful.

This is all sounds great until MP doesnt do the move they think he should.

You have always had coaches to spot that stuff or heaven forbid how about we let players think for themselves rather than be robotic & told where to stand/pass.

I dont care what anyone says its completely killing the game.

McGoldrick was correct the game trys to suppress mavericks and this makes me wonder why he didnt stay ....we'll hide behind wages but with his influence we probably wanted him out.

[legs77]

Poor appointment. God help us

On the face of it I totally agree the problem is we have another 25 people making decisions.

Its a way of DOF picking players but has no comeback if it goes wrong that will sit with MP.

Its L2 basic football yet this lot are over thinking it and I hope im wrong but I just cant see how it works as friction / difference of opinions are going to happen.