Wimbledon post match reflections

[Brin]

Just want to say there's some healthy debate/discussion going on about yesterday and it makes for good reading.

Opinions differ but remain respectful which is also good to see.

Having read through them all, I have to concur with what a lot has been covered by everyone. There's blame, there's praise, we just have to get it all balanced out, starting with both Hamshaw and the players.

You look at the goal attempts - A great one handed save from their keeper from Spence' back heel, that could have been 1-0.

Unfortunately the Ref sees Grays handball which looked questionable? That again may have resulted in a goal.

The three hammered chances in the second half in a 10 second spell, how one of those didn't go in? Good defensive play by the Wombles, a mass of bodies and their keeper again. We're now talking 4/5 goals.

Finally, Jules last minute header, just wanted heading into the ground. Yes there were enough chances for us to have won that game, that's why I still look optimistically towards Tuesday night and the rest of the season. Never say die until it's mathematically impossible to stay up!

[Pocket rocket]

You didn't like the peddling a myth comment but in the past you've described supporters of Hamshaw as being cult like, blinkered and lacking rationale. I've now given you some rationale but if you want to keep going on about popularity contests and only being in a job because he's from Rotherham then carry it on. I'll let you decide which is the most logical reason.

As for Martha, what do you want MH to do, turn him into someone worth 2m inside 6 months? The fact is, some of Hamshaw's signings have worked, others haven't. But tell me a manager that hasn't made a bad signing when working within a tight budget?

But if you want to talk about player development. Chris Wilder has trusted us with Baptiste, he's now here until the end of the season. Manchester United are obviously pleased with the development of Dan Gore. We now have a potential superstar in Harry Gray for a few months. Do you think we have these young players because Hamshaw is a useless coach?

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven’t been great. He says he’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn’t work.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don’t have much else to offer.
I’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.

[Brin]

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It?’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I?’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he?’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He?’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven?’t been great. He says he?’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn?’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn?’t work.
I?’ve seen nothing to suggest he?’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It?’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don?’t have much else to offer.
I?’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it?’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.

Nice to see you posting again pal. Missed you in the PL.

Hopefully you all have a great trip down and safe journey back from Exeter, alas I'm giving that one a miss due to other commitments.
I actually think we'll come away from there with something, unless Nombe is sold in the week.

[Derbymiller]

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It?’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I?’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he?’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He?’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven?’t been great. He says he?’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn?’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn?’t work.
I?’ve seen nothing to suggest he?’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It?’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don?’t have much else to offer.
I?’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it?’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.

You are right this site has got toxic Enjoy the trip to Exeter hopefully it is on the back of a Tuesday win and a good performance, we need some good news and something to feel positive about at the moment.

[Brin]

You are right this site has got toxic Enjoy the trip to Exeter hopefully it is on the back of a Tuesday win and a good performance, we need some good news and something to feel positive about at the moment.

Derbs, where in Pocket's post does he say this site had got 'toxic'?

What you're reading of late on here and failing to respect even if you thing different are aspects/versions/opinions how everyone else sees the current situation at our club. Toxic is the wrong word and only aims to stir things up, give a rest please.

Out of a crowd of thousands, you'll never get 100% to all agree on everything such is life and human feelings.

[PeteWaller]

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven’t been great. He says he’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn’t work.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don’t have much else to offer.
I’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.

Hi Pocket!
Good to see you?re still around and I hope you?re well. Keep the faith mate, tough times perhaps but the sun will rise tomorrow. Coming to watch Harry Gray v Cardiff so looking forward to that. Hopefully not too much hoof ball coz that?s alien to him.
All the best mate

[Heliosphan78]

I used to love this site it was full of debate and top posters who would argue, yes but would answer the question.

It’s now like this totally oblivious to the question of his record stats but just spouts a load of ****e.
Not interesting in defending his record just interested in discrediting the poster.
I’ve always been called a happy clapper and would never call for a managers head. The few on here that criticise the manager are met with sarcastic comments but very little evidence of his credentials apart from he’s supposedly here to develop talent and sell for a profit. He’s had injuries etc
His signings generally haven’t been great. He says he’s inherited issues but his better performers are players he hasn’t signed. He says he will always thank the fans but goes straight down the tunnel unless we win which is rare. He says he will always communicate with the supporters but his latest interview about the length of contract is arrogant.
He had his 2 favoured forwards yesterday but we just hoofed it up top the first half which is awful to watch and has no effect.
We played better second half when YES WE CHANGED FORMATION.
We switched back and wow it didn’t work.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s got anything about him apart from relegation.
It’s just smoke and mirrors.
This site is now full of posters who can not justify our league position or current form apart from injuries truth is they have no intention of trying to defend the record because they have nothing to offer.
He has set a new record in this league for us. Yet again no comment just criticism for the ones criticising him.
A once great site now home to as a recent poster described it as not worth the effort due to posters who are only interested in discrediting the poster and don’t have much else to offer.
I’m going to Exeter with 4 balanced loyal supporters who no longer post on here as it’s now home to their words not mine the Hamshaw delusion community.
If I could advise the ones getting stick for criticising him I would give the site a swerve you are wasting your breath.

Tells me I'm talking ****e and then complains people are being discredited.

Do you think there's any Rotherham supporter who is happy with the run that we're on, or who is happy with some of the decisions the manager has made? Course not. He has to do better. And whilst results are obviously important, there are mitigating factors affecting results and also reasons to believe that sacking the manager won't make much difference. You might disagree and that's fine. It's called debate.

In my view, the manager is given the season and then a view taken at the end of it.

[Derbymiller]

Really, I am the problem, unbelievable. He says the site contains people that only attack the poster, he uses the word discredit. This constant attacking the poster and not the issue is toxic. So I will give it a rest I will leave you and your little gang alone. Pathetic the lot of you

[Back of the net]

Tells me I'm talking ****e and then complains people are being discredited.

Do you think there's any Rotherham supporter who is happy with the run that we're on, or who is happy with some of the decisions the manager has made? Course not. He has to do better. And whilst results are obviously important, there are mitigating factors affecting results and also reasons to believe that sacking the manager won't make much difference. You might disagree and that's fine. It's called debate.

In my view, the manager is given the season and then a view taken at the end of it.

I think it’s called irony with the discrediting you to prove a point maybe?
I criticise the coach so for me I don't want people to agree with me. But the shutting down of criticism by some with no real counter argument is the frustrating bit.
I think it’s 4 points from 33 I may be wrong but it’s not acceptable and if people like me have a go about it then I’d like someone to tell me why I’m wrong apart from injuries, changing the manager solves nothing, we need a long term plan etc.

All the above can be valid but it doesn’t mean that the coach is anywhere near right for the job.
It’s a results business and up to this point he’s not getting them.

[Jocksgloves1]

Oh yes it’s now the fans fault. Booing is the main issue now.
Where is the MH millers mad cult tonight.
Surely you’ve all got loads to say about our dynamic play and the tactical genius.
No well what about the brilliant substitutions.
Come on tell us deluded idiots who dare to criticise were wrong.

Don't usually reply to posts on what is essentially a post-match thread. But...the players busted a gut to get a result and it was obvious at the end they were absolutely gutted. Then to be met with. Torrent of abuse from the 'fans' must have been like a kick in the whatsits.
Blame the manager for his limited choices of substitutions by all means, but did the team really deserve that?
It is , of course, my opinion as always.