The Corona Virus

[sinkov]

The Bolton Evening News confirmed the death of a 46 year old male doctor from COVID-19. Real cause of death: lack of proper, effective PPE.

The Health Minister ought to resign - now.

Maybe you should check this out BT,

Role of the Board of Directors

"The Board of Directors is collectively responsible for the exercise of the powers and the performance of the NHS Foundation Trust. Its role is to provide active leadership of the Trust within a framework of prudent and effective controls which enables risk to be assessed and managed."

Just in case you're wondering that's from the website of Bolton NHS Foundation Trust and they seem to be claiming responsibility for the performance of the Trust and risk assessment and risk management. So maybe you should be asking which of these is responsible for the death of the 46 year old male doctor ?

Fiona Noden – Chief Executive
Andy Ennis MSc, RGN, RSCN – Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Chief Executive
Annette Walker – Director of Finance
Francis Andrews – Medical Director
James Mawrey – Director of Workforce
Sharon Martin – Director of Strategic Transformation
Marie Forshaw, Acting Director of Nursing, Midwifery and Allied Health Professionals


Non Executive Directors

Donna Hall – Chair
Dr Malcolm Brown
Bilkis Ismail
Jackie Njoroge
Martin North
Alan Stuttard
Andrew Thornton

So which one would it be BT, which one is responsible for the safety and well being of their front line staff, which one is responsible for ensuring they have adequate PPE ? There are enough of them, one of them must be responsible surely, if not what on earth do they do to justify their massive salaries, generous expenses and gold-plated pensions ? Or maybe none of them has that responsibility, maybe they're all just too busy to concern themselves with the welfare of their employees and they leave it all to the Secretary of State for Health in London to do it for them ? Is that what it is ? Maybe, besides ordering PPE for them Matt Hancock also has to order arse-wipes for them as well, maybe he also has to travel up to Bolton to wipe their arses for them, maybe he should travel up to Bolton to kick their arses for them, that might inspire them to do the job they're well paid to do and which they say they're responsible for, assessing and managing risks. Maybe one or two should consider resigning, but they won't, it's much easier to keep sitting in their shiny-arsed suits, raking the money in and blame one man in London 250 miles away.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Well researched and well put sinkov.

Just goes to show what we have already said, the NHS is top heavy with "Fat Cat" salaries, while Frontline Staff are dying from lack of properly effective PPE.

I blame our Health Minister for allowing this nonsense to continue. Incidentally, Bilkis Ismail is an elected Labour councillor who I know personally. Earnest does not quite cover a description for Bilkis and frankly I am shocked she is not already knocking on Hancock's door to demand more and better PPE.

What a sh-itfest this is.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Just for you sinkov:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...P0nOT-ElLwXTLk

[1959_60]

But each health and care area order their equipment from the central NHS. It is not expected that each area look after their own PPE etc.

Can you imagine the chaos if they did?

https://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/...ics-on-the-nhs

In the above document it says that in England there are,

207 clinical commissioning groups10
135 acute non-specialist trusts (including 84 foundation trusts)
17 acute specialist trusts (including 16 foundation trusts)
54 mental health trusts (including 42 foundation trusts)
35 community providers (11 NHS trusts, 6 foundation trusts, 17 social enterprises and 1 limited company)
10 ambulance trusts (including 5 foundation trusts)
7,454 GP practices
853 for-profit and not-for-profit independent sector organisations, providing care to NHS patients from 7,331 locations

So equipment such as PPE are centrally sourced. It is not the responsibility of each of the above to do the procurement.

And here is the website that they use for placing their orders.

https://www.supplychain.nhs.uk/covid19/ordering/

[Balanbam00]

Hasidic rebbe calls on followers to immigrate to Israel - before it's too late.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/279549

But listen why?

Leave while it's possible," the Jewish Press quoted him as saying then. "Things will get worse and it will be difficult to move from one country to another." He added that prior to World War II, some hasidic rebbes asked their followers to move to Israel, but "part of the decree was that the Jews didn't listen."

"Whoever can afford to rise and ascend to the Holy Land should do it as soon as possible, and this includes large parts of South America and most of Europe. The US will also become a dangerous place mired in war, and it is still too early to tell which US state will survive....the Land of Israel will be the safest place to survive the war, even though there will be terrible difficulties there as well."

He himself, however, could not immigrate, he said: "I don't have permission to do so - in Heaven they are holding me back for the time being, to stay here in the US."

[1959_60]

But following on from my post 544, the supply chain obviously has serious problems, and individual areas ARE scrambling round looking for alternative supplies.

I don't think that I am being hyper critical, but this equipment should have been stockpiled because pandemic flu (which uses the same PPE etc as coronavirus) is, by the Governments own documents, the greatest risk to the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52519339

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The answer to this conundrum is obvious, get you, me and sinkov enrolled. We would have this sh-itfest sorted within a fortnight.

[sinkov]

I blame our Health Minister for allowing this nonsense to continue.

I am shocked she is not already knocking on Hancock's door to demand more and better PPE.

What is it you want him to do BT ? It's clear the NHS and PHE are not fit for purpose, but the NHS is a national religion, it's untouchable, it's been in existence for over 70 years, but you want Hancock to turn it round overnight ? Don't be silly, it's like replacing the captain of the Titanic when it's 100 yards from the iceberg, and then blaming the replacement when it sinks.

The NHS is an expensive, unwieldy, bureaucratic nightmare, it's failed to look after it's own front line workers by providing them with adequate PPE, but nothing can be done, it's untouchable, so you can moan about Hancock all you like, but you might as well howl at the moon for all the good it'll do, the NHS has failed in one of it's most basic requirements, end of. Live with it.

But if you can't live with it, I go back to my original question, what is it he should do ?

[sinkov]

But following on from my post 544, the supply chain obviously has serious problems, and individual areas ARE scrambling round looking for alternative supplies.

I don't think that I am being hyper critical, but this equipment should have been stockpiled because pandemic flu (which uses the same PPE etc as coronavirus) is, by the Governments own documents, the greatest risk to the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52519339

We can agree there have been shortages 59, still are shortages, but my issue has always been the mis-apportioning of blame, and your BBC link epitomises that issue. The BBC is actually trawling for examples of PPE shortages, they clearly want to make a scandal of this issue, they mention failures by 'the UK', failures by 'the Government' nowhere can I find a single mention of the NHS or PHE which are the actual bodies responsible for these failings.

Why do you think this is ?

[Balanbam00]

....I don't think that I am being hyper critical, but this equipment should have been stockpiled because pandemic flu (which uses the same PPE etc as coronavirus) is, by the Governments own documents, the greatest risk to the UK.

Well, I would say, Governments in a Capitalistic world ,must surely think in terms of 'profit'. Then to order, and buy, 'x' millions of PPE stuff,in case some 'pandemic would happen,in the next,10 -15 years? Is not on the cards. The stuff needs to be bought,(costing?),then it has to be stored,so then 'storage space is required,(costing?) Then it has to be checked that no harm, (again costing?),has been done to it? (What ever could have happened??) So that's why nothing was done!!