O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[frenchmagpie]

Nice swerve on the fact that ‘the plane’ you mentioned being shot down by Russia, was in fact Ukrainians.

That's bit disingenuous. They were Ukrainian separatists backed, armed and encouraged by Russia. So acting as Russian proxies and hence Russians in the wider use of which side in a conflict.

It does seem that the latest incident may have possibly been a Ukranian missile but one has to ask, why did they feel the need to fire it ? Only one side to blame for that.

[Jampie]

Probably also worth noting that an air defence missile used in its air defence role is supposed to detonate on or near its target (in the air), or after a miss. They are absolutely not supposed to crash into the ground and detonate their warhead. For that to happen the missile either needs to malfunction or be configured in ground attack mode.

Of course a misconfiguration by Ukrainian operators is possible, and so is a malfunction. I have no conclusive information as yet.

I'm just saying though, if it was a Ukrainian missile, that's a lot of coincidences.

[drillerpie]

Nice swerve on the fact that ‘the plane’ you mentioned being shot down by Russia, was in fact Ukrainians.

Three Russians and a Ukrainian were charged, all four of them currently living in Russia.

[i961pie]

The only reason Ukraine is firing missiles is to stop the onslaught they are facing from Russian missiles.

[frenchmagpie]

The only reason Ukraine is firing missiles is to stop the onslaught they are facing from Russian missiles.

Exactly.

[andy6025]

The only reason Ukraine is firing missiles is to stop the onslaught they are facing from Russian missiles.

Hang in a minute. Let’s not be so quick to discount the wealth of investigative expertise we’re so lucky to have on this very forum!!!

The ever-knowledgeable Jampie first bemuses that troop exhaustion combined with sheer incompetence could have been the culprit:

...some exhausted [Ukrainian] officer buttoned in target coordinates half from one target and half from another on the next line in his list.

But then he goes on to imply that there are just so many coinky-dinks that the Ukrainians may have attacked Poland deliberately:

Probably also worth noting that an air defence missile used in its air defence role is supposed to detonate on or near its target (in the air), or after a miss. They are absolutely not supposed to crash into the ground and detonate their warhead. For that to happen the missile either needs to malfunction or be configured in ground attack mode.

Of course a misconfiguration by Ukrainian operators is possible, and so is a malfunction. I have no conclusive information as yet.

I'm just saying though, if it was a Ukrainian missile, that's a lot of coincidences.

Wow! But why on earth would Ukraine commit to such an act of madness???

Old_pie chips in a possible answer:

[Ukraine] could just be testing the West's/Nato's reaction to a blurred event.

I applaud the brilliance of our Notts fans!

[i961pie]

With your warped view its a shame you are a Notts fan?

[andy6025]

Are you cheering each Russian missile strike as we would cheer a Langstaff goal?

Clearly not nearly as much as you cheer for strikes on Russia:

A part of me would have liked to have woken up this morning to learn that Russia had been obliterated

In all seriousness though, I seem to be the only one in this Fred hoping for a negotiated peace agreed to by both parties. Everyone else seems to want to fight until one side or the other wins outright.

[PTID1862]

Clearly not nearly as much as you cheer for strikes on Russia:



In all seriousness though, I seem to be the only one in this Fred hoping for a negotiated peace agreed to by both parties. Everyone else seems to want to fight until one side or the other wins outright.

Not entirely sure where you get the 'one side or the other' part from. A quick straw poll will likely conclude the only person who gets even close to wanting Russia to win is yourself. I am quite happy for a negotiated peace, with Russia having withdrawn from all of Ukraine territory including that annexed in 2014.

[magpie_mania]

Clearly not nearly as much as you cheer for strikes on Russia:



In all seriousness though, I seem to be the only one in this Fred hoping for a negotiated peace agreed to by both parties. Everyone else seems to want to fight until one side or the other wins outright.

If you mean negotiating peace, to include how Russia will have to make reparations for the terrible damage they have inflicted upon Ukraine then I'm all for it.

You seem to think that it would mean everyone just packing up their weapons and going home.