So What Do You Think Of Mac Now?

[swaledale]

In this day and age, given the uncertainty of tenure that managers are generally faced with, I can't find it in me to condemn any manager who looks after his own interests. On the whole clubs show no loyalty to their managers and I can't see how they expect much more in return. That's the modern way, regrettable as it may seem.

I agree and hope Mac does well at Newcastle. I must say i was sick of the rumours of will he won't he and i don't think Mac did enough to kill the speculation. I am happy with a fresh approach and await the new season full of optimism. C'mon you Rams[/quote]

Cant understand why anyone would want wish him well, although everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I don't mind at all if he falls flat on his face at Newcastle. That's not sour grapes, I supported him throughout and I was wrong. It is my v

[Rattea]

Hang on these are not my figures they are seales he's been pumping these out for a few weeks. Well to be honest they are the BBC's!!!!

I've merely visualised them that's all. It shows what Swale has been posting not me.

And regardless of Burnley those are the figures and points. Up until 17 games last season our points were better than anyone's. Like for like the first season mcclarens didn't actual do much better, and in some cases far worse, than clough. Had mcclaren improved the side to pick up points against the top nine sides except a few wins then we wouldn't have lost in The playoffs.

End of the day it's over the season and the figures put forward BY SWALE NOT ME actually show what I said in October last year that we hadn't improved.

Obviously you are right and I and swales figures are wrong that's why he's still our manager ... Oh hang on

What utter ***

[swaledale]

[quote="Rattea"]Hang on these are not my figures they are seales he's been pumping these out for a few weeks. Well to be honest they are the BBC's!!!!

I've merely visualised them that's all. It shows what Swale has been posting not me.

And regardless of Burnley those are the figures and points. Up until 17 games last season our points were better than anyone's. Like for like the first season mcclarens didn't actual do much better, and in some cases far worse, than clough. Had mcclaren improved the side to pick up points against the top nine sides except a few wins then we wouldn't have lost in The playoffs.

End of the day it's over the season and the figures put forward BY SWALE NOT ME actually show what I said in October last year that we hadn't improved.

Obviously you are right and I and swales figures are wrong that's why he's still our manager ... Oh hang on

[Ramraider78]

I regularly read this board but I don't post. However I decided to register just to try and put a stop to this total nonsense - the latest post with the graphs being a prime example.

You can't produce a graph with a number of fixed points based on end of season totals and then pick a point between them and say that it represents a point in time. That point doesn't exist-the graph only shows end of year totals. (I have to say even if you could do that rattea you appear to have picked a point about 2 thirds along that line despite the fact that clough left comfortably in the first quarter of the league season. In any event that sleight of hand is irrelevant because you can't do that and claim it shows a point in time.)

I suppose if you wanted to try and show the point in time when clough left you could additionally plot another point on you graph which showed league position at the time he exited; but I don't think that would show what you wanted it to. It would be a bit false to add

[Rattea]

I could plot lots of things like points or position per wage, nett income, turnover, investment you it. I have illustrated this before and it shows the same.

But you are missing the point here these are seales figures to apparently show improvement under mcclaren. I've not added or changed anything. The season totals show trending year on year and then you have progressive time line along the bottom. The only point you can plot with the data provided for clough leaving is on the time line.

But it doesn't matter if that arrow is there at all. What it clearly shows Is that mcclaren left the club it had stopped improving and was declining. If you remove the words and arrow and talk about sales figures or economy grows and told anyone it had improved under the period of mcclaren they would laugh you out the door!

Swales failed to answer yet again. These are his figures that apparently categorically show as a club we have improved so where is the improvement under mcclare

[blackandwhite56]

Rattea, your reply simply shows even more clearly how thick you are.

The points on the graph are whole season totals and the line doesn't show anything about midseason positions and yet your act of trying to place an arrow where MacClaren started shows you don't get this !!

Quite funny really ... next try please!

I'm thick am I ... I better go tell them that at work hey they will be most disappointed ... snigger

Very good they are year totals for a season at least you've got that far and which is about as good as you can get. you may notice, or have to be show, the line across the bottom is time. There for against season trending its approximately right. Opppps! Clearly you missed that class among many others!

And another final reminder these ARE SWALES (BBC's actually) NUMBER to prove improvement. And hes was stating they showed how the CLUB SEASON AGAINST SEASON had impro

[Ramstein]

I've lost count how many times I've posted to contribute to a thread whereby it's instantly swamped with this nonsense. What's the point in contributing to a forum and topical posts when it's just immersed in calling and duelling egos?

I'm not going to both in future it really has become immensely boring, repetitive and tedious. It's questionable whether it debate...between a few yes but for others it's just nonsense an not the reason I read or contribute to the forum.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[blackandwhite56]

What is tiresome is that a mod diverts so many threads by trying to establish and confirm his old old argument that Rush and MacClaren have not improved the club. Even new posters are feeling the need to post and point out why the stuff in this thread is garbage.

Perhaps the other mods could have a quiet word.

But it is a messageboard and you don't have to read it.

[Ramraider78]

I didn't say anything about progression. My point was simply that you were using an entirely flawed analysis to try and prove a point while ironically implying that you were applying a more analytical approach to other posters.

You can't just pick small extracts of data to try and prove a point while ignoring others. For example you can't just point to the fact that Mclaren achieved less points in his 2nd season as a sign of decline while at the same time ignoring the fact that this also happened twice under clough. The overall trend over the time period you selected is upwards. However it is not continuous because every other season there is a retrenchment followed by a bit more progress the season after.

two things to note though (although I'm sure you already have) is that:

In both of MacLaren's seasons he achieved a higher points total than clough ever achieved.

In both of MacLaren's seasons he achieved a higher league position than clough ever achieved.

In any event neither

[FrenchTrimmed]

[quote="Ramraider78"]I didn't say anything about progression. My point was simply that you were using an entirely flawed analysis to try and prove a point while ironically implying that you were applying a more analytical approach to other posters.

You can't just pick small extracts of data to try and prove a point while ignoring others. For example you can't just point to the fact that Mclaren achieved less points in his 2nd season as a sign of decline while at the same time ignoring the fact that this also happened twice under clough. The overall trend over the time period you selected is upwards. However it is not continuous because every other season there is a retrenchment followed by a bit more progress the season after.

two things to note though (although I'm sure you already have) is that:

In both of MacLaren's seasons he achieved a higher points total than clough ever achieved.

In both of MacLaren's seasons he achieved a higher league position