BOJO. The end.

[army88]

Sinkov, I have been watching your Brexit journey over the years.

First you supported Nigels super "better deal than we have now without paying the EU a penny" offer.

Then you supported Thesesa's Mansion House version.

Then you objected to the real Theresa deal (i remember you saying that you would prefer to remain)

Now you support a no deal Brexit.

You have changed your mind several times, which is perfectly fine. You are in good company with Boris and Nigel on that.

So how do we know that others haven't changed their minds too? Perhaps they really wanted Boris and Nigel's version (I would too, but it was never going to happen) and perhaps these people haven't changed their minds enough to support no deal.

How do we find out their current thoughts?

Simple, ask them. Don't force on them something totally different to what you were selling in 2016.

YOU might be happy with the change of offer but plenty of others may not be.

It’s true 59 but it’s still not giving me the confidence as I alluded to that any politician will even accept the decision - vote.

The problem is and always has been that the remain lost and simply refuse to accept they did.
I’m of the opinion if they lost again or didn’t agree with what was put forward we’d be in the same situation as now.

Somewhere in all of this mess some of these politicians are going to have to back down and compromise bits and work together to sort it or it will remain the same vote or no vote 2nd time around.

If you believe they are even capable of that after the last three years of lies contempt cheating backstabbing and every other immoral quote you can think of then you truly are deluded on this issue.

[1959_60]

It’s true 59 but it’s still not giving me the confidence as I alluded to that any politician will even accept the decision - vote.

The problem is and always has been that the remain lost and simply refuse to accept they did.
I’m of the opinion if they lost again or didn’t agree with what was put forward we’d be in the same situation as now.

Somewhere in all of this mess some of these politicians are going to have to back down and compromise bits and work together to sort it or it will remain the same vote or no vote 2nd time around.

If you believe they are even capable of that after the last three years of lies contempt cheating backstabbing and every other immoral quote you can think of then you truly are deluded on this issue.

Great points Army.

Without doubt we would be out by now if Theresa hadn't called the 2017 election - and performed so poorly in that campaign. The Tories had a comfortable majority and three years still to run....what the hell was she thinking of?

In that 2017 campaign the Lib Dems manifesto promised a second referendum on a deal that Theresa brought back or remain. The people would know the details of the deal and confirm if they wanted it or not. The Lib Dems did badly at that election.
It is Lib Dem policy to be a pro European party, surely this is OK? If you don't agree then vote for another party.
Our fortunes have picked up massively this year despite not changing our views. Is this a sign that the public have changed their views?
And in an actual General Election it is perfectly fair to put out your intentions to the public in a manifesto before the vote. The Lib Dems have announced that if they take control they will revoke article 50 and remain in the EU.
I don't expect that you will support this proposal in which case the answer is to vote for another party. That's democracy.

On a second referendum, this time it must be a binding decision on the Government. Whatever is decided must be enacted. The first one was an advisory one (although politicians said that they would enact the result).
I believe that Theresa DID try to enact the result - and she would have done - if she hadn't been foolish enough to call the 2017 election and ended up with a Government unable to Govern properly.

[army88]

My only thing with Theresa was she was weak and never went to Brussels with a plan and this lady isn’t for turning attitude .
She simply said what can we have ? And like everything else that comes out of Brussels they went away focussed , stacked everything in their favour and came back to her saying that’s your deal take it or leave it.
She came home and said this is it , I think we should take it because they e said that’s the best deal we’ll get ( oh and I’m promised a job for as long as i want it after I’m finished doing this ).

A remainer was never going to negotiate a deal for our country as she couldn’t see the sense in changing anything at all.

She was like Jeremy a snake in the grass weak

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I have a book full of "1959_60's daftest yet comments". It's now looking like the second volume of War and Peace, but the latest one tops the lot - your comment relational to the Brexit referendum: "The first one was an advisory one (although politicians said that they would enact the result)."

I think it will be practically impossible for you to top that!

[army88]

I have a book full of "1959_60's daftest yet comments". It's now looking like the second volume of War and Peace, but the latest one tops the lot - your comment relational to the Brexit referendum: "The first one was an advisory one (although politicians said that they would enact the result)."

I think it will be practically impossible for you to top that!

That’s just how the Liberals roll BT , your right it was a class statement if you didn’t know better spoken by a politician

[The Bedlington Terrier]

It looks odds on the MET Bizzies are just about to feel BoJo's collar for chucking taxpayer's dosh at his pole dancer...

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[sinkov]

Sinkov, I have been watching your Brexit journey over the years.

First you supported Nigels super "better deal than we have now without paying the EU a penny" offer.

Then you supported Thesesa's Mansion House version.

Then you objected to the real Theresa deal (i remember you saying that you would prefer to remain)

Now you support a no deal Brexit.

You have changed your mind several times, which is perfectly fine. You are in good company with Boris and Nigel on that.

So how do we know that others haven't changed their minds too? Perhaps they really wanted Boris and Nigel's version (I would too, but it was never going to happen) and perhaps these people haven't changed their minds enough to support no deal.

How do we find out their current thoughts?

Simple, ask them. Don't force on them something totally different to what you were selling in 2016.

YOU might be happy with the change of offer but plenty of others may not be.

I see, like all Remoaners, your assumed powers of clairvoyance remain undimmed 59, it's a remarkable talent but it's leading you astray. You really shouldn't assume that any of my comments on the various stages this process had reached indicate any change of mind on my part. I think I'm old enough to know my own mind and I can assure you it hasn't changed at all.

This is the situation. We were asked by the government, with parliamentary approval, to vote on whether we wanted to remain in the EU. We voted to leave. The only way to leave was by A50 of the EU's Treaty of Rome, this was perfectly clear at the time, everyone knew that this was the process. A50 was enacted, again with parliamentary approval, and this said that the EU had two years to negotiate a WA with us or we left without one. There is no agreed WA, the two years are up, the EU says there can be no further negotiations on the WA, so the duly lawful process is that we leave without one.

You and your Remoaner chums can wriggle and squirm all you like 59, you can hold any view you like, as can I, you can lie through your teeth, you can throw Erskine May out of the window, you can overturn centuries of parliamentary procedures and conventions in an attempt to overturn the referendum result, you can fantasise about the terrible prospect of life outside the EU, it makes no difference, the above is the actual situation we are in, and it is crystal clear what the correct procedure is, correct legally and morally, and that is we leave the EU without a WA on October 31st.

And that is not the outcome I wanted, but that is what should now happen, and I want no more and no less than what should happen, does happen.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sometime after November 5th, which is the earliest a General Election can be called we will have a Labour government.

I can't wait. Car production will recommence, the pound will surge, the NHS will be safe and real poverty addressed.

VOTE LABOUR. FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW.

[army88]

Have you won the Euro millions BT to contribute towards all those things you e listed.
You do realise you’re leaving yourself open when they can’t deliver any of the above like you say.

As I said as well even if they do, something else will be cut - penalised to pay for it.

And you’ll be pi—ing someone else off

[sinkov]

Sometime after November 5th, which is the earliest a General Election can be called we will have a Labour government.

I can't wait. Car production will recommence, the pound will surge, the NHS will be safe and real poverty addressed.

VOTE LABOUR. FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW.

But, but, but, BT, where are all those Labour politicians going to send their children to school when the private education sector is closed down ? I think we should be told.