Cash Turnstile in Dens Park

[Returnofrros]

Don't know who or what the firestick army is Help? I have a firestick but is this what people use for watching DfC games.
Good point about ease of PATG against not going at all. I think Nelms has given up on trying to attract more supporters using good marketing initiatives. Don't think that he sees this as a weakness that he has created. I think it is his lack of support for good communications that is letting this develop. Could be a growing downward trend.
I fear that the very negative opinions expressed about Dee4life on this forum are being interpreted by Nelms as justification for his poor engagement with them.
Instead of rubbishing the answers they have got, is it not a stronger pressure on Nelms if the criticism is directed towards the feebleness of the answers that have been given to Dee4life.
I know that there is a thread about the recent Dee4life communication. Maybe should have made this point on there?

But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

[BCram]

But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

[islaydarkblue]

Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

Dee4life was in a far stronger position in May 2022 than they are now thanks to the failure of the current board of directors to send emails directly to John Nelms demanding answers.
Dee4Life used to publish a newsletter which consisted of eight pages and it had articles about all sorts of things to do with Dundee Football Club including a article about the queues outside the ticket office before games. That was before the Club purchased the former newspaper sellers booth to hand out pre ordered tickets before the Motherwell game and a handful of games last season.
I remember reading another article about the unkempt state of the Main Stand.
Now the Dee4life newsletters tell us nothing.
Are you aware that Dee4life have their own exclusive tie pin which were on sale at the last AGM at a cost of £3 each.
In my opinion these exclusive Dee4life tie pins should be advertised in each newsletter showing a photograph of one and details how to purchase them including the cost of postage and packing if applicable.
I know for a fact that there are plenty left in stock.

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Dee4life was in a far stronger position in May 2022 than they are now thanks to the failure of the current board of directors to send emails directly to John Nelms demanding answers.
Dee4Life used to publish a newsletter which consisted of eight pages and it had articles about all sorts of things to do with Dundee Football Club including a article about the queues outside the ticket office before games. That was before the Club purchased the former newspaper sellers booth to hand out pre ordered tickets before the Motherwell game and a handful of games last season.
I remember reading another article about the unkempt state of the Main Stand.
Now the Dee4life newsletters tell us nothing.
Are you aware that Dee4life have their own exclusive tie pin which were on sale at the last AGM at a cost of £3 each.
In my opinion these exclusive Dee4life tie pins should be advertised in each newsletter showing a photograph of one and details how to purchase them including the cost of postage and packing if applicable.
I know for a fact that there are plenty left in stock.

Tie pins? Seriously?

Nobody even wears a tie these days so why would they invest money into a stock of tie pins? Are they completely nuts?

[islaydarkblue]

Tie pins? Seriously?

Nobody even wears a tie these days so why would they invest money into a stock of tie pins? Are they completely nuts?

It was not my suggestion as I was totally against it but a majority of Dee4life directors were favour despite not thinking things through.
You are correct that nobody wears a tie nowadays so purchasing a supply of exclusive Dee4life tie pins was in my opinion crazy but I was outvoted.
I told them that five years ago I won a Dundee FC tie pin in a quiz organised by Ally Donaldson at a Dundee FC Seniors Group meeting and it has lain unused in a drawer since then.
My point was that the exclusive Dee4life tie pins should be advertised for sale in the Dee4life monthly newsletter instead of eventually being written off in the accounts.

[islaydarkblue]

But but but D4L have been "greatly encouraged" by the communication.

Are you saying they are "greatly encouraged" by the poor engagement.

I'm confused, surely it can't be both.

I doubt D4L take any notice of what anyone says on here, they didn't take any notice of their membership who attended AGM.

And Linda won't even be aware this site exists.

The one or two negative opinions are because they went in a completely different direction to what they said they would.......unless I misinterpreted " holding Linda's feet to the fire "........as .........." getting bird **** AFF seats "

You need to remember that the Dee4life Director Kenny Valentine who had his latest meeting with Greg Fenton was not a Dee4life director when the AGM was held on 19th November 2022.

[Returnofrros]

Think Dee4life are simply communicating the answers they got. Don't think they are greatly encouraged at all, but any residual niggles with the answers they have received are explained, they have given possible assistance, so issues remaining are still live and back in DFC's hands.


I think it is likely that "holding feet to the fire" will only become a possible strategy if the guys who actually support the club take action. I can't see Dee4life leading anything. I think their job is to bring to the attention of the DFC board issues that have been worrying fans. I hope they will keep raising issues, like the sound system for the SE, and keep raising it until it is fixed. Same goes for PATG and the problem of pigeon droppings.

It does seem that the strong and it seemed to me unanimous voices for confrontation raised at the AGM have been batted away by Nelms. Football has saved him, and will do so again imo, if we finish 10th or above this season.

I think dissenting voices emphasise the weakness of the Dee4life position.
Calls for resignations from the Dee4life board because of a failure to deliver on things like the DFC board representation seem to me to be based on an unrealistic assessment of their ability to deliver this.
If you say there are one or two negative voices why would Dee4life be concerned? Maybe I should just ignore these voices too?

Maybe concerned because theres an AGM coming up and some folk may want answers.

One of the reasons I cancelled my membership was to become lightly critical after they took a completely different direction from one promised.

Yeah just ignore........you'll get on D4L board. 😂

[BCram]

Was not sure you would realise my final comment was tongue in cheek!

[Returnofrros]

At the end of the day Linda will do as he pleases and answer to no one, certainly not us plebs or anyone us plebs put up to try and get answers.

Away to see Charlton over the weekend.

Shiny, well kept stadium in an absolute **** hole of an area.

Can be done.

[islaydarkblue]

At the end of the day Linda will do as he pleases and answer to no one, certainly not us plebs or anyone us plebs put up to try and get answers.

Away to see Charlton over the weekend.

Shiny, well kept stadium in an absolute **** hole of an area.

Can be done.

The Dundee supporters should be organising a protest.
I previously posted on here that the Dundee supporters should boycott purchasing a ticket for the Scottish Cup tie against Airdrie on 26th November 2022 which was unbelievably was all ticket as a protest about a lack of cash turnstiles for this game. In event the attendance was less than 3,000 with over 600 Airdrie supporters at the game.
I received a complaint from Grant Hill, Vice Chairman of Dee4life who stated that a Dee4life Director should not be stating on a football forum that Dundee supporters should be boycotting a Dundee FC home Scottish Cup tie as it was not the done thing to do.
That is why nothing gets done by the Dee4life board of directors because a majority of them do not want to upset John Nelms at all costs.