Official Nelmsy Campus Countdown

[islaydarkblue]

Have made a few posts, on that thread but it just isn't something that is a concern, or so it appears.
Don't see how we can afford to pay the rent, but there isn't much interest in the topic.

That is because the posters on the other forum have short memories.
A couple of years ago John Nelms stated that he was going to buy back Dens Park and the proceeds from selling it was going to pay for the cost of building his new stadium at Campy Nou.
However that plan must now be ‘dead in the water’ as Nelms has now put Dens Park up as security for a loan obtained by Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited.

[islaydarkblue]

Have made a few posts, on that thread but it just isn't something that is a concern, or so it appears.
Don't see how we can afford to pay the rent, but there isn't much interest in the topic.

We are currently running at a loss with falling attendances so I do not see how we can manage to pay the rent especially if the Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited directors sell their new stadium development site with planning permission to another company who want their money repaid as soon as possible and certainly not over 100 years.

[BCram]

Wonder what the site might be worth with the gain produced by planning permission. Read an interesting book that suggested that the immediate gain in value that happens when vacant ground gets planning permission for housing almost guarantees that it is very very difficult to build affordable housing. Authors idea was to legislate to stop planning gain increases in value.

[islaydarkblue]

Wonder what the site might be worth with the gain produced by planning permission. Read an interesting book that suggested that the immediate gain in value that happens when vacant ground gets planning permission for housing almost guarantees that it is very very difficult to build affordable housing. Authors idea was to legislate to stop planning gain increases in value.

Two years ago I heard that the most that Nelms would make from buying back Dens Park and then selling it for housing after funds had been spent clearing the site was a few hundred thousand pounds.
It was less than 500 hundred thousands pounds and certainly nowhere near the 50 million pounds that was quoted about a year ago for the cost of the new stadium alone.
At the time it was suggested that John Bennett would have been as well selling Dens Park for housing and keeping the profit for himself instead of letting Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited keep the profits for themselves.
I do not believe a word that John Nelms states about his new stadium development as he keeps saying different things.
At the time of the second pre application meeting in September 2022 Nelms stated that the new stadium development at Campy Nou was fully funded and if they needed any extra funds they could easily borrow the money from financial firms in the City of London.
Now Nelms is talking about obtaining a 100 years mortgage to fund his new stadium development.
Nelms keeps stringing people along yet a lot of Dundee supporters treat him as the messiah who will lead us to the new stadium at Campy Nou where everything will be wonderful and all our financial problems will be gone forever.
What do other posters think.

[islaydarkblue]

Wonder what the site might be worth with the gain produced by planning permission. Read an interesting book that suggested that the immediate gain in value that happens when vacant ground gets planning permission for housing almost guarantees that it is very very difficult to build affordable housing. Authors idea was to legislate to stop planning gain increases in value.

Most football grounds were sold to supermarket owners but that ship has sailed.
At best Dens Park will have low cost housing built on it and more likely rented social housing will be built on it to tie in with the type of housing in the surrounding area.

[islaydarkblue]

In 2019 I heard that shortly after Tim Keyes purchased the 29.7 acres former NCR Camperdown playing fields site from Vico Camperdown Limited on 8th July 2016 he tried to sell it back to them.
The Vico Camperdown directors were not interested as they had redeemed a standard security held by the Bank of Ireland over the site on 12th July 2016.
This might account for the fact that we never hear Tim Keyes speaking about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields and Tim Keyes was never mentioned at the second Pre Application meeting in the Landmark Hotel in September 2022.
It could be Tim Keyes has told John Nelms that it is his project and he (Nelms) is on his own.

[Deeranged]

In 2019 I heard that shortly after Tim Keyes purchased the 29.7 acres former NCR Camperdown playing fields site from Vico Camperdown Limited on 8th July 2016 he tried to sell it back to them.
The Vico Camperdown directors were not interested as they had redeemed a standard security held by the Bank of Ireland over the site on 12th July 2016.
This might account for the fact that we never hear Tim Keyes speaking about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields and Tim Keyes was never mentioned at the second Pre Application meeting in the Landmark Hotel in September 2022.
It could be Tim Keyes has told John Nelms that it is his project and he (Nelms) is on his own.

You 'heard' and 'it could be' but have no proof?

Is this your latest bombshell? Barely a damp squeeb in all honesty.

[islaydarkblue]

You 'heard' and 'it could be' but have no proof?

Is this your latest bombshell? Barely a damp squeeb in all honesty.

I know exactly where and when I received this information.
You were the Dee4life primary representative on the Dundee Football Club board of directors when Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited purchased the 29.7 acres site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields for 1.296 million pounds.
Surely you must have heard something about this purchase before you resigned as the Dee4life primary representative on 1st April 2017.

[Deeranged]

I know exactly where and when I received this information.
You were the Dee4life primary representative on the Dundee Football Club board of directors when Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited purchased the 29.7 acres site of the former NCR Camperdown playing fields for 1.296 million pounds.
Surely you must have heard something about this purchase before you resigned as the Dee4life primary representative on 1st April 2017.

No I wasn't. The proposal at the time of my resignation was Caird Park; Camperdown was long after I went.

[islaydarkblue]

No I wasn't. The proposal at the time of my resignation was Caird Park; Camperdown was long after I went.

According to the enclosed Companies House website you resigned as a director of Dundee Football Club Limited on 1st April 2017 over eight months after Tim Keyes purchased the 29.7 acres site at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields on 8th July 2016.
https://find-and-update.company-info...fficers?page=2