O/T Coronavirus Thread (4)

[CAMiller]

No

High number of Asians, or high number of eastern Europeans raises the covid risk factor dramatically.

They are cultures that don't give a toss and carry on as they always have, mosque or no mosque

It's funny Grist but there is a large contingent of Asian and Eastern Europeans here working for Amazon, Microsoft....etc. and there have been no such problems. I'm guessing other social-economic factors are at play when you live in (or more accurately don't live in) $1M+ homes.

[KerrAvon]

No, I think you're right, that one funeral with 250 attendees is definitely the cause. Good job we've got captain great fire to solve these mysteries!

It's funny how some of the same people who got upset about Cummings are willing to dismiss the risks that would be associated with 250 people attending a funeral. Can you explain it?

[John2]

It's funny how some of the same people who got upset about Cummings are willing to dismiss the risks that would be associated with 250 people attending a funeral. Can you explain it?

Seriously?

You want to start this, another misrepresentation of my position, you didn't even reply to my challenge of your misrepresenting me in the previous thread yet.

My upset with Cummings wasn't the health risk per se that his going to Barnard Castle would create.

It was his disregard for the rules as someone who was in the position of creating them and the impact that would have in undermining the enforcement of them.

In my post here, I have not condoned the funeral. It was wrong and shouldn't have happened. However I used sarcasm to illustrate that clearly this single incident will not be responsible for the spike in Blackburn, which clearly it isn't.

Cumming's actions were outrageous because they undermined the government messaging, which is an enabler of breaches like this.

Does that explain my position?

Revisit threads from the time and I'm confident it will confirm this account.

[flourbasher]

The amount of garbage left on the Bournemouth beaches was an absolute disgrace and is sad reflection of the attitude of some UK citizens.
It wasn't just a few people as there were tonnes of waste just discarded and left.
It would have been bad enough in normal times but with the virus it was effectively a bio hazard.
Many people had to clear that up thereby risking their own lives in doing so and also the residents of the town whilst it was all blowing around in the wind

Thoughtless, selfish and a menace to society

[wendun]

The Blackburn funeral incident is symptomatic of an attitude of mind that is very much responsible for the high rates of infection. Local Muslim politicians complain now about "racism" and scapegoating. Pity they didn't use their influence to stop 250 attending a funeral.

[ragingpup]

The risk on beaches is limited by air movement and the very high ultraviolet light levels. Of more concern arises from any cafes or public loos serving the people on the beach. Coupled with that, as many of the people were travelling to the beach, any 'spike' would be geographically distributed and hard to detect.

If large numbers of people congregated in a building for a funeral, that was irresponsible.

I would have thought that the virus, if present, would be widely spread around the interiors of everything that the thousands touched and shared with the whole town population who in turn would have been very present on the beach and using the facilities. A virus doesn't distinguish between day trippers and locals, there would have been a huge spreadaround and remnants left in the locality as well as it taken back with them.

Agreed on the irresponsibility of the funeral organisers though.

[KerrAvon]

I would have thought that the virus, if present, would be widely spread around the interiors of everything that the thousands touched and shared with the whole town population who in turn would have been very present on the beach and using the facilities. A virus doesn't distinguish between day trippers and locals, there would have been a huge spreadaround and remnants left in the locality as well as it taken back with them.

Agreed on the irresponsibility of the funeral organisers though.

The risk was certainly from any shared facilities that were in use as opposed to sitting on the beach. Those risks would have been reduced if people were using appropriate personal hygeine. As for infecting the townsfolk, I would have thought that minimal. Pubs, cafes and restaurants would have been closed. Local grocery shops would have seen incresaed footfall from anyone who didn't bring their pack up with them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53459596

[ragingpup]

It's okay. John has deemed that a single incidence of 250 people gathering together indoors will clearly not be responsible for the spike in Blackburn.

Have you deemed that it is responsible for the spike Kerr?

[KerrAvon]

Have you deemed that it is responsible for the spike Kerr?

No, I'm like John - hopelessly lacking in the qualifications and experience needed to assess the risk, even if my first degree included a year of microbiology and half a year of mathematical modelling in biological systems.

[John2]

No, I'm like John - hopelessly lacking in the qualifications and experience needed to assess the risk, even if my first degree included a year of microbiology and half a year of mathematical modelling in biological systems.

I'm at a loss to what point you are trying to make, you seem to be in the habit of just ignoring the actual meat and bones of my responses to you and are now just passively sidestepping with irrelevant side arguments where its unclear the purpose.

I've made no assessment of the risk of that incident, you have rightly pointed out I am unqualified to do so. But I am sufficiently capable of assessing that one incident alone will not be solely responsible, wouldn't you agree?