OT Border Control State of Emergency

[animallittle3]

The real kicker as far as I'm concerned is that neither the Conservatives or Labour never once told the electorate that they were going to increase the population of the UK by the huge numbers we've seen since 2000 , there are 10 million more people in the UK than they were 26 years ago .

Most of us of course see every day how this plays out in our daily lives , commuting to and from work , travelling anywhere for that matter , if you can manage to reach just over 30mph between Huddersfield and Manchester on the M62 then you are having a good day .

The NHS whilst never the greatest health care system in the world is buckling because it has to treat more people than it once did and requires more and more staff just to keep it barely functioning , mainly from abroad , the irony isn't lost on me .

Clearly government's can't keep pace with the amount of funding it requires given the ever increasing numbers it is duty bound to treat .

If you were to have a child every year for the next 15 years you'd probably end up having a bit of a financial challenge as the dependants grew and grew so most of us stick to 2 or 3 , that kind of logic seems to pass government's by .

Importing more people isn't even the half of it , they also go on if they haven't already to have children themselves and on it goes , it's also known as infinity .

The biggest lie you were ever told in my opinion is that the country needs more people coming here because again in my opinion it's the exact opposite thats required .

The progressive class make me smile with their open borders and Green agendas , hmm more people consume more things , create more environmental issues , drive more cars , use more energy and so forth .

Meanwhile government's continue to play wack a mole as they try desperately to keep themselves popular whilst never admitting to the deception they thrust upon this country with huge immigration agendas whilst also trying to hit net zero targets at the same time as letting more people in to the country .

Admittedly I didn't leave school with much in the way of education but it doesn't actually seem that bad given the expensive educations attributed to those in government's who brought us here .

[Shark27]

Yes, they do, and a good deal else besides. Small boats and poorly controlled borders are not the problem, they are a problem. Billionaires are not the problem, they are a problem. And so on, with poor government policies, generally poor attitudes from benefits system abusers, slipping standards in our society around 'low level' crimes, and so on.

Migrants entering the UK and being perceived a certain way is a far wider, far more nuanced issue than some would have us believe, and until people (generally working class people... and by that I mean all those who require an income) start to shout louder about wider issues and to question narratives more, people will remain divided on the components and fail to push forward on the bigger problems.

The thing is that a lot of the working people e.g. people who I know shout more about migrants, scroungers etc because they see that first hand every day. They see the amount of time it takes to get a doctors appointment, they see migrants forming their own communities, we all know benefits scroungers. They see things that impact them on a daily basis, not so much the billionaire tax dodgers.

[millersrus]

[QUOTE=UlleyMiller;40817160]Two things can be true at the same time. I've no doubt at all that there are a large number of people who claim benefits to top up poor wages, and many will work very hard. That's an inevitable outcome of a lower than reasonable minimum wage, an inefficient approach to benefits, and swathes of business owners who hide behind these things (and the "I take all the risks" gambit) to justify piss poor wages for employees and low-tax, excessive payments to them and theirs.

But, the fact that these issues are rife, does not take away from the fact that there are countless benefits system abusers, generations deep, often without jobs at all but in many cases they meticulously plan jobs and hours around being able to maximise the handouts. I remember far back enough that I can recall a stigma around this, but that's seemingly replaced by either denial that it happens, or by the "I'm better off not working" shrug.



The national minimum wage has just gone up by 8.1%, it?s one of the highest in the world. Some may say it?s too high and will effect employment.
Young people losing jobs is on the rise. Hard to say whether it?s the minimum wage or just the generaly poor state economy as a whole that?s causing the job losses.
You say it’s too low, What would you consider to be a reasonable minimum wage?

[animallittle3]

[QUOTE=millersrus;40817313]

Two things can be true at the same time. I've no doubt at all that there are a large number of people who claim benefits to top up poor wages, and many will work very hard. That's an inevitable outcome of a lower than reasonable minimum wage, an inefficient approach to benefits, and swathes of business owners who hide behind these things (and the "I take all the risks" gambit) to justify piss poor wages for employees and low-tax, excessive payments to them and theirs.

But, the fact that these issues are rife, does not take away from the fact that there are countless benefits system abusers, generations deep, often without jobs at all but in many cases they meticulously plan jobs and hours around being able to maximise the handouts. I remember far back enough that I can recall a stigma around this, but that's seemingly replaced by either denial that it happens, or by the "I'm better off not working" shrug.



The national minimum wage has just gone up by 8.1%, it?s one of the highest in the world. Some may say it?s too high and will effect employment.
Young people losing jobs is on the rise. Hard to say whether it?s the minimum wage or just the generaly poor state economy as a whole that?s causing the job losses.
You say it’s too low, What would you consider to be a reasonable minimum wage?

My opinion is that if you can't pay a living wage then you haven't got a viable business .

This isn't a who owns the means of production argument this is simply about making work pay which then feed in to the economy whilst also giving people in lower paid jobs the respect they deserve .