Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

Your disdain for the good people of Norfolk is noted Swale, but it’s a bit ironic when you slate people for their dislike of people from overseas when you can’t even be nice about your fellow countrymen.

I’ve also just done a quick rethink of people in the vicinity of the conversation yesterday and don’t think any were from Norfolk

Stretching it a bit to describe my description of the denizens of a tiny part of the Uk and indeed a small settlement in Norfolk as expressing distaste for my fellow countryman or even the people who inhabit Norfolk ( many of whom I count as being friends of mine). Anyway many of those living in Hemsby are not from Norfolk, they are folk who are looking for refuge from the current century and reality.

Mm you should be a politician with your tendency to exaggerate and misinterpret whats said! But then you have previous form for this. your of the Truss school of life, ignore the obvious flaws in ones arguments, disregard the facts, tell fantasy tales and generally talk utter *******s.

But why would any sentient person have anything but disdain for people who expressed any sort of agreement with the bile being spewed by a Home Secretary whose job it is to assist in governing a country in a peaceful and positive manner?

The very fact there are people you heard weren't saying "This is disgraceful, a Minister in one of the most important roles in Government openly pressurising and politicising the Police for their own ends, stoking up division and all for her own personal political ends" should be enough for any decent person to slate them.

The fact that your line of argument has centred on noting that there are people who seem to agree with her words and actions and not whether its acceptable behaviour is also telling. I see you fella!

[ramAnag]

Seems to me that common sense has prevailed. It’s Armistice Day i.e. the day when a cessation of hostilities is called for. The march in support of a cease fire is to go ahead but not until midday and not very close to the Cenotaph so shouldn’t everyone be ‘happy’?

No thanks, imo, to Braverman with her ridiculous talk of ‘hate marches’, ‘life style choices’ and police favouritism, but someone somewhere, be it the police, those supporting the Palestinians/Gazans, or both, seems to have seen sense.

[swaledale]

Seems to me that common sense has prevailed. It’s Armistice Day i.e. the day when a cessation of hostilities is called for. The march in support of a cease fire is to go ahead but not until midday and not very close to the Cenotaph so shouldn’t everyone be ‘happy’?

No thanks, imo, to Braverman with her ridiculous talk of ‘hate marches’, ‘life style choices’ and police favouritism, but someone somewhere, be it the police, those supporting the Palestinians/Gazans, or both, seems to have seen sense.

That was always the case rA, the protest march was never going anywhere near the cenotaph, Braverman, backed by some of the right wing media have been spouting nonsense as is always the case. The met Police Chief has stood firm in the face of unacceptable and shameful pressure from politicians who may well indeed have made the situation worse by encouraging extremists of all persuasions to make mischief.

We are going to see much more of this from the Government, as they have nothing left to do but try and lay waste to the Uk, further whipping up false sentiment and appeal to the rabble without a cause!

[Andy_Faber]

Seems to me that common sense has prevailed. It’s Armistice Day i.e. the day when a cessation of hostilities is called for. The march in support of a cease fire is to go ahead but not until midday and not very close to the Cenotaph so shouldn’t everyone be ‘happy’?

No thanks, imo, to Braverman with her ridiculous talk of ‘hate marches’, ‘life style choices’ and police favouritism, but someone somewhere, be it the police, those supporting the Palestinians/Gazans, or both, seems to have seen sense.

Interesting to hear from a chap on the news this am who is attending the Cenotaph AND the Palestine protest (peacefully I presume), and wouldn’t it be nice if more did that (or all for that matter).

[Andy_Faber]

Seems to me that common sense has prevailed. It’s Armistice Day i.e. the day when a cessation of hostilities is called for. The march in support of a cease fire is to go ahead but not until midday and not very close to the Cenotaph so shouldn’t everyone be ‘happy’?

No thanks, imo, to Braverman with her ridiculous talk of ‘hate marches’, ‘life style choices’ and police favouritism, but someone somewhere, be it the police, those supporting the Palestinians/Gazans, or both, seems to have seen sense.

She’s a bit of a loose cannon but she does seem to have a point on the police favouritism thing, even BBC seemed to be agreeing there’d been inconsistencies regarding high profile marches in the last few years

[swaledale]

She’s a bit of a loose cannon but she does seem to have a point on the police favouritism thing, even BBC seemed to be agreeing there’d been inconsistencies regarding high profile marches in the last few years

Utter *******s and its funny how you denigrate the BBC then when it "falsely" parrots a Tory line, you claim it as a verifiable source.

Braverman doesn't have a point and its *******s more confected lies spewed out by the Tory party and its media stooges, of which the BBC is becoming one in many ways with its refusal to challenge the obvious lies and misinformation that this Government disseminates.

But even if she did have a point, its not the job of the Home Secretary or any Government minister for that matter to air such opinions in public, purely for the purposes of putting political pressure on the Police and encouraging people who haven't the cognitive ability to see what she is doing is wrong. These matters are dealt with behind the scenes in a professional manner, backed up by actual evidence and facts, not some anecdotal ramblings that are politically motivated.


We will all suffer the day, the Police cease to be independent law enforcement and become just another instrument used by the government to attack which ever section of the population they happen to disagree with at the time. Anybody who doesn't see that is sadly lacking in mental capacity IMO.

[Andy_Faber]

Utter *******s

Braverman doesn't have a point and its *******s. Anybody who doesn't see that is sadly lacking in mental capacity IMO.

You're getting a bit insulty again Swale...

Regarding the favouritism, a lot of it is perception, and 'the police' (in this case The Met) appear to do a great job of ****ing off both sides of any argument - Patriots/Non-patriots, Straight/Gay, white/black, motorists/greens, maybe they need to invest a bit of cash in a decent PR firm

[swaledale]

You're getting a bit insulty again Swale...

Regarding the favouritism, a lot of it is perception, and 'the police' (in this case The Met) appear to do a great job of ****ing off both sides of any argument - Patriots/Non-patriots, Straight/Gay, white/black, motorists/greens, maybe they need to invest a bit of cash in a decent PR firm

Its an illustration of my contempt for people who say "Maybe Braverman has a point"! whilst not observing the fact that a Home Secretary's job is avoid stirring up division and encouraging the more extreme elements of society to engage in violence!

[Andy_Faber]

Its an illustration of my contempt for people who say "Maybe Braverman has a point"! whilst not observing the fact that a Home Secretary's job is avoid stirring up division and encouraging the more extreme elements of society to engage in violence!

I presume that contempt is aimed at me (although it may be aimed at Tory voters, Brexit voters, the elderly, men with ruddy faces, the good people of Norfolk and anyone who disagrees with you, including your former rear gunner - your contempt certainly is a ‘broad church’). Fair go, it’s only a forum
But let me explain. The issue has two parts: whether she’s right, and whether she should have used her position to elocute her belief in the way she did. Now, take the ‘Tents by lifestyle’ issue. I can confirm through time helping at a ‘soup kitchen’ in Derby that some people DO choose to live ‘off grid’ including in tents, sheds, doorways etc despite at least temporary ‘in brick’ (as they called it) accommodation being available, and being offered to them regularly. So on that one she’s ‘right’ based on my experience. Where she was IMO wrong was in, scuse my French, ‘gobbing off’ about it in the way she did. She got the outcome she deserved for that. So there you go, a thought through, bile-free line of reasoning, All just IMO

[SithHappens]

I think this sums up 'Careless' because of Suellas 'careless' comments this week about the police this is whats happening.

https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-...otaph-13005216

Dont think there can be any argument with the language they are using that its heavily influenced by what she said, how Sunak can see the day out without sacking her im not sure, he has too seeing this surely.