Wigan Athletic.

[millertop]

I don't think the EFL will be able to cope with this matter.
Way beyond their capabilities to even organise a D1 Chairman,s meeting in a timely manner so they will have no chance with this one

T-e-e-n*agers working on a high school project would get a better grip on the main issues than Parry,s team

Definitely
I’ve been saying for a while that it needs a complete overhaul

[WanChaiMiller]

Update on Wigan
The EFL really are hopeless. It's nearly Twelve months since the Bury fiasco and they are still admitting their tests for prospective owners needs to be overhauled meanwhile another club is in serious trouble.
God help the EFL when more clubs have serious problems. If I were the Goverment,s Sports Minister and it were possible to do so, I'd be seriously thinking of putting a task force in to replace Parry and his colleagues

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53341269

I dont buy that its down to EFL. We live in a world where we want someone to blame. The EFL is convenient target.

Do you think legislation 'would most certainly' have stopped what happened at Bury and Wigan? I dont. Fit and proper tests dont assess morality. Its the owners who caused the issue.

What rule would you put in place to stop what happened with these 2 clubs (or ours for that matter)?

[Lolmorgan]

I dont buy that its down to EFL. We live in a world where we want someone to blame. The EFL is convenient target.

Do you think legislation 'would most certainly' have stopped what happened at Bury and Wigan? I dont. Fit and proper tests dont assess morality. Its the owners who caused the issue.

What rule would you put in place to stop what happened with these 2 clubs (or ours for that matter)?

I think the EFL have to take some blame but agents & greedy players must take a lot of the blame,transfer should be capped,wages should be capped,if you can't live on 5 grand a week then there is something wrong.If I go for a job & ask for 5 grand a week & all companies tell me to Feck off then I would soon lower my demands.All clubs must take responsibility all players & agents must take responsibility.

[flourbasher]

I dont buy that its down to EFL. We live in a world where we want someone to blame. The EFL is convenient target.

Do you think legislation 'would most certainly' have stopped what happened at Bury and Wigan? I dont. Fit and proper tests dont assess morality. Its the owners who caused the issue.

What rule would you put in place to stop what happened with these 2 clubs (or ours for that matter)?

We,ve had this debate before so I'm not going to go over it again.
Whilst there might be a number of reasons for the Bury, Bolton and Wigan scenarios the EFL need to do much, much better to give all clubs a decent chance. By their own admission their processes aren't good enough and if the governing body isn't acting at the top of their game then they are not best placed to deal with some huge problems coming in the next few months
No undertaking the fit and proper test at Bury is unacceptable

[WanChaiMiller]

We,ve had this debate before so I'm not going to go over it again.
Whilst there might be a number of reasons for the Bury, Bolton and Wigan scenarios the EFL need to do much, much better to give all clubs a decent chance. By their own admission their processes aren't good enough and if the governing body isn't acting at the top of their game then they are not best placed to deal with some huge problems coming in the next few months
No undertaking the fit and proper test at Bury is unacceptable

I dont think the fit and proper test as framed now could ever reveal the problems that unfolded at these clubs. The outcomes for all these clubs were a matter of opinion; owners deciding ti quit or withold investment. Cant see what the EFL can do to change that.

Our situation was representative. Booth would oass any fit and proper test. Howevrr that cannot dictate how he acts and behaves.

What regulation would you propose that would have stopped what happened at these clubs? Being mindful all regulations need to be sanctioned by the club owners.

I think the EFL is a convenient whipping boy (like the ECB at the moment dealing with Covid and the Hundred).

[millertop]

EFL have to ensure that the new owners have the financials to not only buy the club but also run a club
If this hasn’t happened Then EFL have failed another club and failed to do their job

[Silly-miller]

Too soon?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9599176.html

[mygiddypant]

See the piece by David Conn in Guardian online. More informative.

[Silly-miller]

See the piece by David Conn in Guardian online. More informative.

Both are accusing each other of bets from what Iv read

[WanChaiMiller]

EFL have to ensure that the new owners have the financials to not only buy the club but also run a club
If this hasn’t happened Then EFL have failed another club and failed to do their job

Reading through the EFL Owners and Directors Test, the regulation doesnt cover a requirement to demonstrate 'financials' (although I may have missed it). The main thrust is to do with the legitimacy of the individual (their record in business, criminal conviction, involvecies, disqualifications, fraud, criminal convictions, etc).

The EFL cannot be accused of failing in a duty that isnt part of their remit.

You may feel it needs to be added. I think it would be pretty hollow.* Even if a prospective owner demonstrates an ability to finance the club, nobody can compel them to spend their money or continue in ownership after the choose to sell.* Adding this as a requirement could serve to kill off more than it saves.

Bury: Steve Day would have passed any requirement. He increased levels of spending to what he felt his buisiness could support. His Business went bust that brought the club down. If new owner Dale could not pass the fit and proper the club would have folded then. Non of it is the fault of the EFL. What if the EFL had blocked tje sale to Dale, the club couldnt find another buyer and folded?

Millers: Booth would pass any test. Yet no regulation could compel him to spend his money or prevent him from selling when he did. Millers 05 and, later, Dino and Dennis would not have passed your 'proof of financials' regulation. In theory we could have folded at the point Booth sold.

At the end of the day its the football community thats killing these clubs not the EFL.* But lets blame a convenient scapegoat.