McClean whinging again.

[KerrAvon]

Let's face it, the bait had already been laid. It's the usual superior attitude and overbearing approach aimed at demeaning other people.

I happen to agree that McClean should be free to express his views. Not totally convinced by his motives or that he's totally innocent of bringing some of the abuse on himself. The balaclava picture being an example.

What I will I say about him is that he's a horrible footballer. Fully 'committed' sometimes to the point of wanting to harm fellow players. He's not for me.

There's certainly a difference between being thought provoking and just provoking.

I genuinely haven't taken much notice of McLean. For my part, I think it unrealistic to expect an Irish person from the Republican tradition to follow all the 'expectations' of an English football crowd. From what I've read I can't see that he has been actively disrepectful in respect of poppies and the Queen - he simply hasn't participated. I suspect that the press have done the rest with invented 'fury'.

The balaclava thing did sound to be 'terribly misjudged'.

As for him being committed, I think it's noteworthy that whether that is seen as a good thing can depend upon the who is doing the seeing. Many of us remember Gerry Gow with fondness...

[howdydoo]

John and Kerr are. Commie sh1tes. Never talk about footy either. Ban em Cam

Pathetic response.

[ragingpup]

Pathetic response.

Woooosh

[Lolmorgan]

John and Kerr are. Commie sh1tes. Never talk about footy either. Ban em Cam

This thread slipped down the board I guessed one of three would bring it back up,you Kerr & John you never disappoint. It’s run it’s coarse you have had your say let it drop.You do talk about football I will give you that.

[ragingpup]

This thread slipped down the board I guessed one of three would bring it back up,you Kerr & John you never disappoint. It’s run it’s coarse you have had your say let it drop.You do talk about football I will give you that.

I haven't expressed a political point on this thread Lol. I was just satirising much of the content. Think that is somewhat lost on some but thought that some might appreciate it, even if clearly some don't!

[Derbymiller]

He is just a vile man, he plays the big hard man but goes running to the authorities if he gets called a few names, pathetic individual and unfortunately we live in a world where such weak behaviour is promoted and supported.

[ragingpup]

You are completely right Mellowmiller. The Marxist woke mob (who seem to have quietly taken over our country and changed our laws to support their aims) routinely hate free speech - unless it is something that they agree with.

Bold claim there. Seeing as Lol hasn't slapped you down for keeping the topic going, I'll enquire.

Who for you exactly are the Marxist woke mob?

What laws have they changed as examples of what you're talking about?

What free speech could you speak before the Marxist woke mob changed the laws, that you can't speak now? What would you like to say now, on this board for instance, that you don't feel you are allowed to say now?

[vaterland_miller]

Bold claim there. Seeing as Lol hasn't slapped you down for keeping the topic going, I'll enquire.

Who for you exactly are the Marxist woke mob?

What laws have they changed as examples of what you're talking about?

What free speech could you speak before the Marxist woke mob changed the laws, that you can't speak now? What would you like to say now, on this board for instance, that you don't feel you are allowed to say now?

The Marxism stuff comes from the Social Science departments of universities - It follows on from the failure of Marxism to be accepted and it includes sociological dogma such as Critical Race Theory. It has found its way into what we call the establishment (all political parties, education, civil service, armed forces, courts, police, NHS, local authorities, commerce etc). An example is the new obsession with what they call "diversity". Douglas Murray explains very well who the Marxist woke mob are in his books e.g. these two:
"The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity"; THE SUNDAY TIMES BESTSELLER
"The War on the West"

If you want a quick video of Douglas try this (under 10 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNz2OkeoDA

This is a bit more detail (1hr 10mins):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYaYk09kEDs

If you have a spare 2hrs 38mins you could watch Douglas here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7I6Bt_NZY



Here is an example of changed law in the UK:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...ality-act-2010

https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-a...ality-act-2010

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ow-extend-pub/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...of-recruitment



Its not a good idea to say anything that could upset one of the "protected groups" - even if it is true. I don't wish to provide any examples.

[John2]

The Marxism stuff comes from the Social Science departments of universities - It follows on from the failure of Marxism to be accepted and it includes sociological dogma such as Critical Race Theory. It has found its way into what we call the establishment (all political parties, education, civil service, armed forces, courts, police, NHS, local authorities, commerce etc). An example is the new obsession with what they call "diversity". Douglas Murray explains very well who the Marxist woke mob are in his books e.g. these two:
"The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity"; THE SUNDAY TIMES BESTSELLER
"The War on the West"

If you want a quick video of Douglas try this (under 10 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNz2OkeoDA

Jeez, I gave your video a try, are these the sort of personalities you're letting spoonfed you your narrative? Not even 5 minutes in and they're already framing "wokism" it as an attack on Christianity and its values, and worried that the children are going to miss out on these things.

This marxism link is a bit tedious. It also plays to cheap stereotypes. I'm a capitalist and don't think people who have had a *** change after puberty should be winning women's weightlifting competitions either. This tries to pigeonhole people like me as Marxists.

Don't form your views being told what to think by people on YouTube, or at least occasionally expose yourself to counter-arguments.

The YouTube algorithm is an echo chamber by design, at least be aware you'll just get shown more and more of the things you watch and fewer alternative perspectives.

Funny that the best we get is a general link to "laws" rather than anyone naming a law they actually have a problem with. Can anyone name something they think people should be allowed to say but can't?

[ragingpup]

The Marxism stuff comes from the Social Science departments of universities - It follows on from the failure of Marxism to be accepted and it includes sociological dogma such as Critical Race Theory. It has found its way into what we call the establishment (all political parties, education, civil service, armed forces, courts, police, NHS, local authorities, commerce etc). An example is the new obsession with what they call "diversity". Douglas Murray explains very well who the Marxist woke mob are in his books e.g. these two:
"The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity"; THE SUNDAY TIMES BESTSELLER
"The War on the West"

If you want a quick video of Douglas try this (under 10 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNz2OkeoDA

This is a bit more detail (1hr 10mins):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYaYk09kEDs

If you have a spare 2hrs 38mins you could watch Douglas here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7I6Bt_NZY



Here is an example of changed law in the UK:
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...ality-act-2010

https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-a...ality-act-2010

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ow-extend-pub/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...of-recruitment



Its not a good idea to say anything that could upset one of the "protected groups" - even if it is true. I don't wish to provide any examples.

Thanks for the links. I watched the first one and flicked throgh bits of the second and can see where his views are so often repeated and quoted on the right and the culture warriers. He is eloquent but his arguments are well worn and are just repeating the ongoing resistence lines to human rights progress in much of the west, most of which has been passed by democracies for the service and protection of it's citizens and with their approval as democracies. They have been developed consensually to protect the majority of people who live their, not just the white able comfortable status quo who generally tend to benefit from it.

Therefore, I don't se ethis as being part of a conspiracy of Marxist bodies - just democreatically elected govenrment serving the wishes of its electorate (right and left) as it becomes increasingly non secular and information rich, leading to people being more aware of their rights and politicians using this to further policies that will appeal to these people, and passing such laws through parliament in their service, not against their will.

You're choosing to quote only laws passed since 2010 to try and further your narratice that all was fine in the world with you before then but these goody-goodies have gone and wrecked it. But why not mention the years of previous law changes that preceded these:

1965: Race Relations Act

1965: International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

1966: UK signs up to the European Court of Human Rights

1975: *** Discrimination Act

1976: Race Relations Act

1976: International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR)

1979: Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW)

1984: UN Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

1989: UN Convention on the Rights of the Child

1995: Disability Discrimination Act

1998: Human Rights Act

2006: Universal Periodic Review

2008: UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (UNCRPD)


So instead of seeing advances in people's rights embedded in laws as a recent phenomena foisted on you with an agenda, you can see that the changes you pointed to as being the latest in a long line of progressive developments on people's rights over recent history, all made by democreatically elected governments.

(oh and for what it's worth, Mclean does seem to make things harder for himself but as Kerr says, easy fodder for faux outrage in your right wing propaganda papers)

Sorry Brin, but you surely knew what would happen with your OP?!