O/T:- Just Stop Boil

[bule1]

Formula 1 teams spend over $500,000 per year on fuel. Development costs of the fuel could be between £1 million - £10 million per year ( forgive the mixed currencies). Any chance of using Crisp 'N' Dry instead Lewis ?

F1 also have been instrumental in improving engine efficiency, developing lighter body and engine parts and improving driver safety parts. When compared to the huge number of cars on the road overall that have benfitted from these improvements I think it is a positive sport.

[Magpies1959]

So they have a different opinion to you on those issues and you cancel them. The idea that Lewis Hamilton has climate change concerns, while happily driving a petrol/oil guzzling four wheeled rocket ship is quite hilarious.

[keldsyke]

F1 also have been instrumental in improving engine efficiency, developing lighter body and engine parts and improving driver safety parts. When compared to the huge number of cars on the road overall that have benfitted from these improvements I think it is a positive sport.

Oh dear, really?

[bule1]

Oh dear, really?

In a word, yes.

[keldsyke]

In a word, yes.

although you are entitled to an opinion you are way off the mark.

[bule1]

although you are entitled to an opinion you are way off the mark.

Over the years, here are a few but not all

Disc Brakes
Carbon Fibre
Regenerative Braking
Impact absorbtion (crumple zones)
Engine efficiency

[keldsyke]

Over the years, here are a few but not all

Disc Brakes
Carbon Fibre
Regenerative Braking
Impact absorbtion (crumple zones)
Engine efficiency

Ok then, Interested in your views on the progress on thermal efficiency in brake discs combined with Mu levels in relation to disc temperature when you compare F1 with road car discs and how you would keep temperatures (energy) on carbon discs stable and in the right zone for efficiency on a road car so you could maximize constant Mu levels and a predictable pedal feel considering the heat rejection you get from carbon discs and the average driving ability of a normal person? Obviously having cast discs on a road car to carbon discs is a big advantage so carbon discs aren’t feasible?

Also with the regenerative braking, how would you maximize harvesting on a road car considering the budget constraints on a road car to an F1 car and how that’s impacted road car Brake By Wire Systems with the emphasis and regulations being far more stringent on road cars than motorsport?

Carbon fibre isn’t used on road cars (except exotic) as costs and production are too expensive, time consuming and difficult to productionise in very big quantities for manufacturer production lines.

Road car production is far more regulation based and safety critical than Motorsport, when you design something for road car use there is far more testing and hoops to jump through than Motorsport as you really only have to abide to what the homologation and series rules say in motorsport, where as in road cars tbe in built safety factors that need to be built in are usually 2-3:1 and with Government and EU regulations.

Don’t be fooled by what you’re fed by the PR teams, The only cars that benefit from the old tech past down by F1 teams are manufacturer super cars.

[bule1]

Not comparing F1 disc brakes with road cars and you know it, before F1 developed disc brakes, drum bakes were use on road cars. These were far less efficient.

Regen baking is used on various hybrid cars (not exactly super cars)

Carbon fibre is one element used but there are others to make cars lighter (aluminium for one).

F1 cars of today outperform the ones of days gone past with 1.6L engines.

At the same time they have to find engine efficiency due to the fuel limlts imposed.

I am not fooled by PR teams but neither I am fooled by you

[keldsyke]

Not comparing F1 disc brakes with road cars and you know it, before F1 developed disc brakes, drum bakes were use on road cars. These were far less efficient.

Regen baking is used on various hybrid cars (not exactly super cars)

Carbon fibre is one element used but there are others to make cars lighter (aluminium for one).

F1 cars of today outperform the ones of days gone past with 1.6L engines.

At the same time they have to find engine efficiency due to the fuel limlts imposed.

I am not fooled by PR teams but neither I am fooled by you

Just for your info (friendly), drummed brakes ARE more efficient than disc brakes as they retain the potential lost energy ( when you next look at a F1 car notice that they actually encase the disc brake and caliper in a drum to retain and manage the heat energy) Disc brakes were patented in 1902 (I think) by Louis Renault and the first electric car was made by Porsche in the 1930’s I think so it’s all old technology tbh, it’s just been refined, If you don’t believe me just do a bit of research, but this highlights the essence of this thread, people get a little bit of knowledge from an outlet and think it’s gospel and believe it. Take everything you’re told from outlets with a hint of sceptisim, working in motorsport for decades has certainly taught me that.

[bule1]

Also if drum brakes are so efficient, why exactly do no cars use them?