Leeds United - v - Brentford ***Matchday Thread***

[MrsORichSenior_]

Kelleher is a stain on football. The whole tactic is reprehensible.

Simple is better in this case. You go down without any contact you have to be replaced for the match. Allows the coach to still do it but there is a cost. If you've used up all your subs then it's a field player. No exceptions. if you go down after contact you must sub out until the next corner kick. if a foul is called on the offense on the contact play then rule does not apply.

Even VAR / prem refs can't screw up something this simple and straightforward.

I see Dermot Gallagher stated the ref cannot do anything because God forbid if the referee says get up and the goalkeeper is really injured obviously then he would be in big, big trouble.
stating further that one of the leagues are going to experiment next season where if a goalkeeper goes down like that it will be a minute out when a player goes off and it will have to be an outfield player

better if that when a goalkeeper goes down, the players have to stay in the centre circle so they cannot come to the manager of whoever and get instructions, however the physio no doubt will pass on info regardless.

MOT

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

I see Dermot Gallagher stated the ref cannot do anything because God forbid if the referee says get up and the goalkeeper is really injured obviously then he would be in big, big trouble.
stating further that one of the leagues are going to experiment next season where if a goalkeeper goes down like that it will be a minute out when a player goes off and it will have to be an outfield player

better if that when a goalkeeper goes down, the players have to stay in the centre circle so they cannot come to the manager of whoever and get instructions, however the physio no doubt will pass on info regardless.

MOT

Great suggestion on a podcast - get all the Leeds players to go to the side and listen in - nothing to stop them and would be hilarious.

[spaldy]

I do like the suggestion of all of our squad going over and listening in on the huddle. Just make sure that Bijol is the one standing right next to the coach. He looks and acts like one tough hombre.

[spaldy]

dermot

speaking of stains on football. He's like the skid mark that won't come out after numerous washings and bleaching.

To listen to that guy make the prem officiating as if it's the best in the world is enough to make anyone sick. So far not one officiating error all year. Just ask him. He'll tell you.

wonder why his mom hated him so much that she named him dermot?

[MrsORichSenior_]

WS is an avid follower of Northern Soul music culture WTF.

a stomper is in the context of a dance floor-stomper referring to a specific type of high energy fast paced rare soul records designed to fill the dance floor of which WS is a collector of.

not sure what shape your current dancing improvisational moves are today but back in the day mine included spins, flips, karate kicks and rapid footwork performed on floors covered in talcum powder to aid my sliding technique.

my karate kicks are still in fine fettle should the need arise although a firm polite handshake does increase cooperation in negotiations and helps in turning a combative situation into a collaborative one nowadays with regard to differing opinions on the table.

MOT

[WTF11]

WS is an avid follower of Northern Soul music culture WTF.

a stomper is in the context of a dance floor-stomper referring to a specific type of high energy fast paced rare soul records designed to fill the dance floor of which WS is a collector of.

not sure what shape your current dancing improvisational moves are today but back in the day mine included spins, flips, karate kicks and rapid footwork performed on floors covered in talcum powder to aid my sliding technique.

my karate kicks are still in fine fettle should the need arise although a firm polite handshake does increase cooperation in negotiations and helps in turning a combative situation into a collaborative one nowadays with regard to differing opinions on the table.

MOT

I bow to your superior knowledge in the sphere of dance-floor nomenclature.

I would respectfully point out however that my original post, relating to the possibility of change being positive provided the right people (and attitudes) are employed (using Wrexham as an analogy, not a template), was hardly contentious and used no objectionable language, yet as always when responding to a post from me WS chose (stress chose), to completely ignore the point being made (at least twice), and as usual adopted the tactic of "taking the man, not the ball" (analogy again) with ridiculous accusations of me having used "disgusting vitriol".

Differences of opinion, as I have said MANY times, are exactly what a forum is for and I would suggest that whilst I'm still as direct in expressing mine the terminology and language in general has changed considerably. That's not always mirrored by others, which is a pity.

[WTF11]

WS is an avid follower of Northern Soul music culture WTF.

a stomper is in the context of a dance floor-stomper referring to a specific type of high energy fast paced rare soul records designed to fill the dance floor of which WS is a collector of.

not sure what shape your current dancing improvisational moves are today but back in the day mine included spins, flips, karate kicks and rapid footwork performed on floors covered in talcum powder to aid my sliding technique.

my karate kicks are still in fine fettle should the need arise although a firm polite handshake does increase cooperation in negotiations and helps in turning a combative situation into a collaborative one nowadays with regard to differing opinions on the table.

MOT

As a further example of what is pissible when the right people are involved, and featured in Series 2 of the Welcome to Wrexham docuseries, are Dorking Wanderers.

Dorking rose rapidly from the Sunday League to the National League under manager/owner Marc White.

Without the documentary far fewer would know of their achievements.

Just saying.

[WTF11]

"Possible" even!😉

[WTF11]

And lastly (honestly), as an example of someone who has accepted and welcomed change and been incredibly successful in the process, Phil Parkinson, current Wrexham Manager......

Parkinson is the only manager to take an English fourth-tier league club to the final of a major cup competition at Wembley Stadium, leading Bradford City of League Two to the 2013 League Cup final, beating Arsenal in the process.

He is also, now, the only manager to achieve back to back to back promotions with an EFL club.

Some can accept, welcome and embrace change, some can't.

[MrsORichSenior_]

your still calling for right owners again and again.

the number of times i have been asked to sit on panels or be asked for my opinion on the landscape of football today across Europe seen through fans eyes is becoming increasingly common.
whether its brands or agency remits the 'suits' all want to understand how things are shifting from a community to an entertainment lens all looking for insights into where modern football culture and fandom are heading.

simple fact is clubs can be owned by individuals or families even private equity companies let alone investment funding organisations with Luton Town now owned by its actual match going fans nowadays.
the dominance of American influences and now multi club ownership has indeed certainly taken out that reliable comfortable aura that yesterdays fans held including myself particularly regarding match shedules which are now being polished up and thus shifting from being a sport into the newly boxed entertainment category catering for global TV audiences.

indeed global reach is the mantra uttered in many club boardrooms of which Wrexham are currently fully exploiting of offering progress in quality at the expense of breaking tradition and culture among their loyal rooted support.

we cannot have it all ways as so many swings and roundabouts involved but as traditional fans we can use our voice of concerns and that is where we differ as fans WTF.
all football clubs, brands and agencies are scrambling to understand what the hell is happening with the new generation of fans who do not seem to connect by the old terms of being a true supporter as in reality Gen Z has not walked away from abandoning football but its just rejecting the outdated, out of touch models that clubs have relied on for decades. clubs that get that fact and those that invest in culture, technology and community will thrive.

to conclude the once tribal loyalty of club first mentality with the blind allegiance is all being replaced by something more fluid, digital and culturally aware.
Leeds still buck the modern trend and are a fan-centric sport club who do value fans opinions and allow for fan influence. For example, Leeds now has various dialogue formats to gauge fans opinions and let them influence what the club stands for and what managerial actions are being planned.

clubs and brands that will win in this new era will not be the ones that just have the best teams or the biggest marketing budgets, far from it as they will be the ones that understand how to create moments that people care about as the next generation of genuine football fans want clubs that listen to them, respect their input and not just milk them for overpriced kits and matchday tickets - a culture shift that clubs cannot ignore much longer and as Leeds know damn well from the many structured complaints formulated from forums of inner club supporter channels that if they are not listened to then they are furthered into the external bodies that will certainly now require answering.

MOT