O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BigFatPie]

... Look up Ivor Cummins podcast ...
Viral Impact in England - The Empirical Truth Part 1
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1

Ivor Cummins is a noted covid bullsh!t merchant who’s been wrong at every stage of the pandemic.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Ivor-Cummins-20d36373da834c8f884486a3302ac58e

[TheBlackHorse]

Ivor Cummins is a noted covid bullsh!t merchant who’s been wrong at every stage of the pandemic.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Ivor-Cummins...4486a3302ac58e

BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

[upthemaggies]

BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

I'm no longer paying much attention to the Covid story, it's iike watching a repeat of last year's news. Whatever the true figures, I do find it odd that a significant number of people who are still on the left and apparently despise Johnson and the government are completely unwilling to question anything to do with Covid and actively attempt to shut down any debate.

I'm more interested in knowing exactly how Covid-19 was released into the world, Did it escape from a lab and if so, was it by accident or by design? Whatever the case may be, China must now realise they can bring the west down by releasing a new far deadlier variant... which begs the question, would they be prepared to sacrifice a few million of their own to achieve that goal?

Can anything be done about it? Thanks to Trump nobody will want to blame China now because that would mean Trump was right. The west hates itself so much right now it would probably welcome the end anyway.
Try to enjoy life whilst you still can.

[Old_pie]

BFP - you're more than simple. It would be funny if it wasn't quite frightening.
You clearly haven't watched the podcast - still no surprise there. Ivor Cummins is merely the co-ordinator for the presentation which is carried out by a Data Scientist, a Diagnostic Pathologist, a Biotechnologist and a Chartered Statistician from the Royal Statistical Society.
If you don't believe we're all being conned with the numbers there's no hope for you. Even the daily death charts tell you it's all deaths, not just CV19. Hospitals even get paid extra for treating CV19 cases and for dealing with deaths 'in situe', so why wouldn't you put "Cause of Death: CV19" on the death certificate.

Because NHS staff are also dying of Covid, or do they get paid double for the death of one of their own?

Excess death figures are available in the regular charts available. I have previously fit relatives who have struggled after Covid. 90% of those with Covid on their certificate died primarily of Covid.

Tell me who is gaining from falsifying figures and creating a non-existent crisis? Russia, China? America? The Mexicans? Notts County? The wee scotswoman? I'm struggling to seeing where the benefit of creating a crisis lands.

[TheBlackHorse]

... spot the difference ...
Area: England 130,000 sq km; Canada 9.9m sq km; Australia 7.7m sq km
Population: London 9m; Canada 40m; Australia 26m
Accepting some failures in the UK, it's much easier to control travel in Canada and Oz. Overcrowded living conditions in the UK must be a factor. ...

[LaxtonLad]

... spot the difference ...
Area: England 130,000 sq km; Canada 9.9m sq km; Australia 7.7m sq km
Population: London 9m; Canada 40m; Australia 26m
Accepting some failures in the UK, it's much easier to control travel in Canada and Oz. Overcrowded living conditions in the UK must be a factor. ...

Quite right BH, population density should be factored in. In the countries named, Canada and Australia, there are huge areas with no population at all. If it were possible to calculate a country's area where people actually live and their numbers of Covid deaths, then compare the UK figures with those such as Australia and Canada and other "civilised" countries the results may be somewhat similar to the UK's. If we could scatter our population over a greater area there would certainly be less person to person contact and so less contagion.

[Mapperleypie]

Quite right BH, population density should be factored in. In the countries named, Canada and Australia, there are huge areas with no population at all. If it were possible to calculate a country's area where people actually live and their numbers of Covid deaths, then compare the UK figures with those such as Australia and Canada and other "civilised" countries the results may be somewhat similar to the UK's. If we could scatter our population over a greater area there would certainly be less person to person contact and so less contagion.

Japan has had 5,503 deaths. They are far more densely populated than us, much nearer to Wuhan so had less time to prepare and like us are an island.

[BigFatPie]

Japan has had 5,503 deaths. They are far more densely populated than us, much nearer to Wuhan so had less time to prepare and like us are an island.

As I’ve heard elsewhere, we need the vaccine to protect us from Boris Johnson.

[TheBlackHorse]

Japan has had 5,503 deaths. They are far more densely populated than us, much nearer to Wuhan so had less time to prepare and like us are an island.

... and the Japanese are both generally a well mannered society as well as having a history of doing what their government tells them, whether right or wrong. Carry on then ...

[LaxtonLad]

... and the Japanese are both generally a well mannered society as well as having a history of doing what their government tells them, whether right or wrong. Carry on then ...

Plus wearing a mask is part of their everyday outdoor clothing, it's almost part of their national costume.