THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[Killerkline]

With regards your questions I can only reply as I see it
In the relegation campaign he bought numerous players into the squad to no avail.
With regards changing the team , I didn't mean bring a substitute on , he could have easily made a change in formation to counter those pesky kids for changing their tactics and confusing our players.
He said it himself they changed their tactics and our players struggled as it was not what we trained for.
If you see something is wrong do you not attempt to rectify it there and then , especially if you know what the answer is?

Yes, he did bring in numerous players. But, in my opinion, this didn’t represent vast amounts of money. Part of the problem, NA took what he could.

I didn’t believe that you meant substitutions. Maybe NA thought that making adjustments at half time was a better approach than trying to make changes mid game. Doing this at half-time allowed for better communication/instruction to the whole team.

[Notts78]

With regards your questions I can only reply as I see it
In the relegation campaign he bought numerous players into the squad to no avail.
With regards changing the team , I didn't mean bring a substitute on , he could have easily made a change in formation to counter those pesky kids for changing their tactics and confusing our players.
He said it himself they changed their tactics and our players struggled as it was not what we trained for.
If you see something is wrong do you not attempt to rectify it there and then , especially if you know what the answer is?

Yes he brought in a number of players but that’s only half the story. The issue that season was who he couldn’t get rid of. It was well documented that the changing room wasn’t a good one and it wasn’t a case of telling a player to train with the kids as it seems that would have divided an already fractious squad further.
It doesn’t exonerate NA from his responsibility or give him excuses for taking us out of the EFL but it would be too simplistic to say he was backed to the hilt and that’s it.

[laddo]

" So basically your saying any manager now should get a minimum of 3 seasons, no matter what ??"

No, never said that never will. No idea where you have got that from.

Sorry but only a fool wouldn't attribute any blame to the Chairman season seeing as he did all the hiring and firing. I've only come across one person so far who has Hardy as blameless. Congratulations.

If we don't go up and Ardley is giving another season I'll be annoyed and disappointed#proardley

But I will smirk because it will probably finish you and Ken off . If that happens I'm grabbing some popcorn and watching the Pitchforks spiral out of control lol

[Davy500]

" So basically your saying any manager now should get a minimum of 3 seasons, no matter what ??"

No, never said that never will. No idea where you have got that from.

Sorry but only a fool wouldn't attribute any blame to the Chairman season seeing as he did all the hiring and firing. I've only come across one person so far who has Hardy as blameless. Congratulations.

If we don't go up and Ardley is giving another season I'll be annoyed and disappointed#proardley

But I will smirk because it will probably finish you and Ken off . If that happens I'm grabbing some popcorn and watching the Pitchforks spiral out of control lol

That is exactly what you have said in your reasons for sticking with Ardley, and because Notts sack managers too soon, any manager should be given time - your words
So your are saying any manager gets 2 or 3 years minimum no matter what, because we have sacked to many before

[Davy500]

It might finish Notts County off though if Ardley remains, which is nothing to Smirk at

[laddo]

I do , but who do you blame ?

The electrician.

Tbh I never mess with electrics you need a qualified professional IMO someone who has been in the game a long time, been well trained and learnt his craft.

I could have a go myself but I'm just an unqualified amateur armchair electrician.

Kapeesh?

[laddo]

That is exactly what you have said in your reasons for sticking with Ardley, and because Notts sack managers too soon, any manager should be given time - your words
So your are saying any manager gets 2 or 3 years minimum no matter what, because we have sacked to many before

When did I say 3 seasons minimum? You've made that up, a worrying trend.

I'd like Notts to get near to the 14 month league average to start with. Since 2000 out average tenure is less than half that!

Let's start with one full season before we start thinking about 2 or 3. Remember Davy the method employed by the club for the past 20 years simply hasn't worked, lots of wasted seasons in there.

[Davy500]

When did I say 3 seasons minimum? You've made that up, a worrying trend.

I'd like Notts to get near to the 14 month league average to start with. Since 2000 out average tenure is less than half that!

Let's start with one full season before we start thinking about 2 or 3. Remember Davy the method employed by the club for the past 20 years simply hasn't worked, lots of wasted seasons in there.

i made nothing up, typically you now not standing by the very reasons you blindly follow Ardley
You yourself , even in the paragraph, above, said we have sacked to many managers, so we have to give them more time, because in it has not worked in the past
So therefor even though Ardley was very bad from the start he must be given time, for no other reason than what you said above.
How much time. relegation season, last season, and now this, so that is over 2 and a half seasons, all to see if he would eventually come good??
Back to the original question, as in Ardleys case, we have had to stick with him for more than 2 1/2 seasons, no matter what, even though he is one of the worst mangers, just because we cant keep sacking managers-??

[laddo]

Ken just want to check are you offering tactical advice to Neal?

Can't believe you are still going back to the relegation season. Yes it was his job to keep us up and he failed. It was also Nolan's job to secure far more than 1 point from the opening 5 games having just taken basically the same side to the playoffs and had more investment than any of the other managers. We were rock bottom of the table , now who expected that after the Coventry game?

It was Kewell's job to win more than 3 out of his 14 games in charge. That's what they were paid to do also, and they also failed.

They all failed, not just one of them all of them. You talk about me ignoring the failing of Ardley that season (I haven't it was a limp effort at best) but you seem to choose to ignore the obvious failings of those two managers that season.

I don't see 5th as glory, or 3rd on PPG at all, I see it as in contention for promotion. Glory is promotion and nothing else, if he fails he goes.

None of the above matters, the question is should we sack or keep NA where we are now in the league? Bar the odd exception it's a resounding IN from the fans. You will have noticed the same on Facebook too Ken

[countygump]

Can't believe you are still going back to the relegation season.

Neither can I, the most momentous, gut wrenching season in our entire history and people are still referring back to it almost 2 full seasons later?


A worrying trend.