Careless Tories!

[MadAmster]

Thank goodness there are newspapers (The Grauniad) that actually do some serious investigative work and expose these charlatans.

As I've seen said elsewhere, when she moaned she was trying to help out the country in crisis, no you weren't if you as a wealthy person were actually trying to assist, you would have done it at cost, not make £60 million and supply PPE not fit for purpose!!

If the PPE she supplied wasn't fit for purpose then, IMO, she really should give the profits back AND what HMG paid for shoddy goods. Time of crisis or not, supplies should a) actually be supplied and it seems a lot wasn't and b) it should be up to the required standards and a lot wasn't.

The fast lane was illegal but put in place by HMG and I don't really think prosecuting Mone, the landlord et al would be morally correct.
Not supplying what you contracted to supply is probably both criminally and civilly illegal and could be acted upon.
Supplying goods not fit for purpose, idem ditto.

Why has no-one been taken to court over these apparent breaches of contract (fraud?) ?

[SithHappens]

In theory I don't see an issue with a VIP fast channel, it was unique circumstances needing fast action, there wasn't time to put out to tender etc. Even Starmer was behind methods to cut red tape.

The issue is it seems to have been clearly abused.

[MadAmster]

In theory I don't see an issue with a VIP fast channel, it was unique circumstances needing fast action, there wasn't time to put out to tender etc. Even Starmer was behind methods to cut red tape.

The issue is it seems to have been clearly abused.

If someone had got a fast track contract, supplied the goods they were contracted to supply and those goods were of the correct standard (or better) then I too see no issue with fast track.

It's the billions paid out to people who either didn't supply the goods (they still owe HMG/NHS the goods, then, don't they?) or supplied shoddy goods who need sorting.

For instance, if Mone (her husband) supplied shoddy goods then there is a case to answer. Profits back to HMG and likely the cost of the shoddy goods as well.

[ramAnag]

If someone had got a fast track contract, supplied the goods they were contracted to supply and those goods were of the correct standard (or better) then I too see no issue with fast track.

It's the billions paid out to people who either didn't supply the goods (they still owe HMG/NHS the goods, then, don't they?) or supplied shoddy goods who need sorting.

For instance, if Mone (her husband) supplied shoddy goods then there is a case to answer. Profits back to HMG and likely the cost of the shoddy goods as well.

...and stripped of her OBE and life peerage on the grounds that she is unfit to be honoured or be involved in making decisions that impact upon the rest of us. I’m sorry if that sounds bitter but there are so many people doing genuinely good things for others in this world at a time when we all seem to be being dragged ever downwards by the greedy, avaricious and crooked b@stards in charge. (Rant over...for now!)

[Andy_Faber]

...and stripped of her OBE and life peerage on the grounds that she is unfit to be honoured or be involved in making decisions that impact upon the rest of us. I’m sorry if that sounds bitter but there are so many people doing genuinely good things for others in this world at a time when we all seem to be being dragged ever downwards by the greedy, avaricious and crooked b@stards in charge. (Rant over...for now!)

Sale of goods act is pretty clear, if the goods are defective/not fit for purpose the buyer can apply to court for a full refund of amounts paid, plus reasonable expenses. I’ve claimed like this a few times before. However, there is a time limit on any claim, which on recent form is guaranteed to have been missed, either accidentally or otherwise, by HMG

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=MadAmster;40411331]If someone had got a fast track contract, supplied the goods they were contracted to supply and those goods were of the correct standard (or better) then I too see no issue with fast track.

It's the billions paid out to people who either didn't supply the goods (they still owe HMG/NHS the goods, then, don't they?) or supplied shoddy goods who need sorting.

For instance, if Mone (her husband) supplied shoddy goods then there is a case to answer. Profits back to HMG and likely the cost of the shoddy goods as well.[/QUO

There are many issues,

1. People set up companies to benefit from this, with no prior experience of making or even supplying PPE.
2. By all accounts there were companies with the required knowledge and experience who were able and willing to supply PPE that were ignored.
3. Many of those that were awarded contracts took advantage of the situation and took an excessive commission merely for being the go between, which is where Mone's claim to be "just trying to help" falls apart, a multi millionaire" just trying to help her country" does not charge excessive commission for doing so, indeed if she and her husband were being truly altruistic, they would have done at cost.
4. The vast majority of contracts awarded via the VIP lane went to contacts who were in some way connected to the Tory party - even related in some cases which suggests very strongly that it was seen as a way to dish out favours or in other words corruption.
5. Mone and her husband set up the company in such a way as their involvement was not readily apparent and when the Gruaniad revealed that she was, they lied and had their lawyers deny any such involvement. She was at the time a Tory member of the House of Lords, so not declaring a connection was deceit pure and simple.


In summary, this is a classic case of greedy people taking advantage of a situation to make a fast buck, aided and abetted it seems by some in government. It stinks of corruption and mismanagement but then thats what the Tories have been doing to this country for the last 13 years or so, ripping people off and handing out favours to connections.

The scale of losses on PPE is estimated at around £11 billion, even in a crisis situation where one might expect some mistakes, thats a lot of wasted money.

[MadAmster]

There are many issues,

1. People set up companies to benefit from this, with no prior experience of making or even supplying PPE.
2. By all accounts there were companies with the required knowledge and experience who were able and willing to supply PPE that were ignored.
3. Many of those that were awarded contracts took advantage of the situation and took an excessive commission merely for being the go between, which is where Mone's claim to be "just trying to help" falls apart, a multi millionaire" just trying to help her country" does not charge excessive commission for doing so, indeed if she and her husband were being truly altruistic, they would have done at cost.
4. The vast majority of contracts awarded via the VIP lane went to contacts who were in some way connected to the Tory party - even related in some cases which suggests very strongly that it was seen as a way to dish out favours or in other words corruption.
5. Mone and her husband set up the company in such a way as their involvement was not readily apparent and when the Gruaniad revealed that she was, they lied and had their lawyers deny any such involvement. She was at the time a Tory member of the House of Lords, so not declaring a connection was deceit pure and simple.


In summary, this is a classic case of greedy people taking advantage of a situation to make a fast buck, aided and abetted it seems by some in government. It stinks of corruption and mismanagement but then thats what the Tories have been doing to this country for the last 13 years or so, ripping people off and handing out favours to connections.

The scale of losses on PPE is estimated at around £11 billion, even in a crisis situation where one might expect some mistakes, thats a lot of wasted money.

It's also true that some Labour and Lib Dem politicians put forward companies to the VIP lane "committee" or whatever it was. None of them got a contract. That might also be true of other parties.

The fact that only those put forward by Tories got contracts stinks and is possibly yet another transgression of Law.

[swaledale]

It's also true that some Labour and Lib Dem politicians put forward companies to the VIP lane "committee" or whatever it was. None of them got a contract. That might also be true of other parties.

The fact that only those put forward by Tories got contracts stinks and is possibly yet another transgression of Law.

It also demonstrates that the gutting of the procurement depts in the Civil Service was a false economy, the only reason these shysters got involved was because there weren't the staff to do it "in house". Though why in an emergency staff could not ahve been reassigned to PPE procurement, I mean how hard is it to ring up a company and get quotes for a product. I could have done it!!

This is true of much of the outsourcing and employment of consultants to do the work previously done in house - sure it looks like the cost of employing civil servants has been reduced, but in reality bigger sums are wasted on outside contractors and consultants.

Don't even ask what £30 billion spent on the test and trace programme achieved!!

[SithHappens]

Fully agree

[SithHappens]

People are happy to take advantage, you only have to look at Captain Tom's family who have exploited what he did for personal gain.