O/T Sarah Champion

[monty_rhodes]

Ragingpup, typical that people working in "Community services" are worried about Islamophobia. Your views and those of Kerr and others are racist, not mine. They are profoundly racist because you (and Kerr stated it explicitly several times) peddle the line that all will be well as Muslims in the UK gradually adopt more of our (superior) culture and values. In my view they will not. I have no idea of the situation in Rotherham but in northern Lancashire towns where I have direct involvement in the last 20 years there has been a massive fall-off in Muslim children attending integrated schools and two once thriving multicultural social clubs have closed because Muslims stopped going.

[ragingpup]

Ragingpup, typical that people working in "Community services" are worried about Islamophobia. Your views and those of Kerr and others are racist, not mine. They are profoundly racist because you (and Kerr stated it explicitly several times) peddle the line that all will be well as Muslims in the UK gradually adopt more of our (superior) culture and values. In my view they will not. I have no idea of the situation in Rotherham but in northern Lancashire towns where I have direct involvement in the last 20 years there has been a massive fall-off in Muslim children attending integrated schools and two once thriving multicultural social clubs have closed because Muslims stopped going.

Blimey Monty, for someone who purports to follow scientific and rational thinking, your own rationality is all over the place.

Racist? For expecting an immigrant culture to adapt to the values and law of its adopted country? Where is there a judgement from me that our culture or values are superior? They are the values and law of the UK and yes I am expecting an immigrant culture living within the UK to adapt to our values and laws. I thought you did too?

Whether they are successfully doing that or otherwise is open to debate and I welcome your views and experience on that. But banding the word racist about in a hopelessly misguided context is no more helpful from you than it is from the so called "PC brigade" of whom you frequently and derogatorily speak.

Disappointed really.

[S8_Miller]

I think most people who do not have a particular allegiance to the Labour party will look at this and feel very frustrated and concerned that Labour appears to more concerned about rocking the boat with a large section of their voter base than defending the rights of vulnerable children. Champion has done no more than say exactly what Professor Jay said in the report or what Nazir Afzal, the chief crown prosecutor has said after sentencing many of these men or other moderate voices from the muslim community like Maajid Nawaz, Amina Lone, Zehra Zaidi, Sajid Javid‏ to name but a few.

Many will look on in bemusement at the deselection of Lone by Greater Manchester council and be rightly concerned that another outspoken critic of the overt misogyny that is rife within sections of the Pakistani community has been ousted by the party.

Naz Shah, who brought the whole Champion issue to the fore and forced her 'resignation' was in the past suspended from the party herself for what some viewed as anti-Semitic tweets. Personally, I thought her tweet was a little crass but I wouldn't necessarily ascribe the 'anti-Semitic' label to it. I think raising awareness about the Israeli government policy towards Palestinians is valid and some of the darker actions of Israel need to be called out without fear of being slurred anti-Semitic, so it is indeed hypocrisy of the highest order that it was Shah at the head of this anti-Muslim witch hunt.

Shah was also caught out liking and retweeting a tweet by an Owen Jones parody account. Now there may be some entirely innocent explanation to why she did this but I will leave that to you judge.

The Tweet in question said:

"those girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of #diversity!"

[monty_rhodes]

Ragingpup, I thought you were a decent poster but see now you're just a pr*ck. You have deliberately misconstrued my posts. Just to reiterate; the point I'm making is that the leftie position on UK Muslims is contradictory and dishonest. You suggest that "your hope" is that UK Muslims will gradually adopt the culture and values of the host nation. I don't say you're racist but point out that your argument is deemed racist by your fellow lefties. In Lancashire their slogan (in the laughably named Joint Trades Council - laughable as none of them would know a trade if it bit their rrse - which is actually a front for Friends of Radical Islam) is "Separate But Equal" and your views would be denounced by THEM as racist and reflecting "cultural hegemony". You're all liars and the logic of your position will be greater segregation, a more militant Islam at grass roots level and a move to the "limited" (Oh yes, limited at first) introduction of Shariah.

[gm_gm]

This is one of the best and enlightening interviews I have ever listened too. Maajid Nawaaz talks live on air to someone who planned to assassinate him, fascinating insight

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...sassinate-him/

[brassgnat]

SYP have been found wanting over Ian Watkins (Lost Prophets singer) who is not a Muslim. Also victims have been unhappy with police as regards Amanda Spencer and the 3 (white ) brothers from Arbathone grooming gang.
It's seems the cops are found wanting or actually colluding with abuse no matter the race/ religion of the abusers.