O/T:- The CV19 Legacy

[navypie]

No worries Pingu, all part of the service here at your local, friendly NCM. Honest.

Bless ya, Swale. You do a grand job - strange that NCM is actually helping keep some folk sane during this, isn't it?

Don't let Swale fool you, he's paid a king's ransom to police this board.

[SwalePie]

Don't let Swale fool you, he's paid a king's ransom to police this board.

Unfortunately I'm paid in Florist tickets so I can only spend my earnings in the smallest room.

[navypie]

Unfortunately I'm paid in Florist tickets so I can only spend my earnings in the smallest room.

Now that is unfortunate.

[SwalePie]

Now that is unfortunate.

Oh it's not so bad. At least I get a regular sing song. 'Always sit on the red side of the Trent etc., etc.' I think that's the lyric anyway.

[pingu_pie]

The day of reckoning will come if the government are to blame for everything you say they are and then Mr Starmer will have his day in the sunshine. But no matter what this government does the same suspects will criticise and it will be the same when Labour get in. So predictable.

I don't disagree with you here, up to a point. The thing is to me though is that when Labour do get in, despite being a lefty I'm damn sure going to criticise them when they F up too. It's been a while since we have been in that position, but I suspect that what is viewed on here as a lefty triad of Elite, BFP and Sid (I should post more, I've never been in a gang ) will be much the same, simply based on their lack of fawning over Corbyn. I may be wrong, and one, two, or all of them turn into Keir Starmer fanboys, but for myself I fully intend to have the next Labour government held to account properly. And that's what is not happening at the moment with the right wing on here (and let's face it we are all only talking to each other on here).

People ought to be able to follow their own political ideology and still be able to notice how poorly suited Johnson is for his role, ditto Patel, Raab, and, yes, Corbyn and Diane Abbott. They should also be able to note how crushingly, dangerously awful folk like Cummings and JRM are, just as Campbell and Mandelson were before them.

[i961pie]

I don't disagree with you here, up to a point. The thing is to me though is that when Labour do get in, despite being a lefty I'm damn sure going to criticise them when they F up too. It's been a while since we have been in that position, but I suspect that what is viewed on here as a lefty triad of Elite, BFP and Sid (I should post more, I've never been in a gang ) will be much the same, simply based on their lack of fawning over Corbyn. I may be wrong, and one, two, or all of them turn into Keir Starmer fanboys, but for myself I fully intend to have the next Labour government held to account properly. And that's what is not happening at the moment with the right wing on here (and let's face it we are all only talking to each other on here).

People ought to be able to follow their own political ideology and still be able to notice how poorly suited Johnson is for his role, ditto Patel, Raab, and, yes, Corbyn and Diane Abbott. They should also be able to note how crushingly, dangerously awful folk like Cummings and JRM are, just as Campbell and Mandelson were before them.

I am not affiliated to any party I tend to vote for the party I feel is best of a bad bunch at the time. I agree with you about Johnson and co and Corbyn etc. that is why I didn't vote in the last election no one was worth my vote imo. But I am not in the anti everything camp because I don't like a particular government.
I must admit I have been impressed with Starmer at present, he seems to be saying all the right things, only time will tell. Mind you my old dad would be turning in his grave if he knew the Labour leader was a lawyer and with a title also.

[navypie]

I am not affiliated to any party I tend to vote for the party I feel is best of a bad bunch at the time. I agree with you about Johnson and co and Corbyn etc. that is why I didn't vote in the last election no one was worth my vote imo. But I am not in the anti everything camp because I don't like a particular government.
I must admit I have been impressed with Starmer at present, he seems to be saying all the right things, only time will tell. Mind you my old dad would be turning in his grave if he knew the Labour leader was a lawyer and with a title also.

I'm not sure if Starmer is any good or he simply couldn't be any worse.

[jackal2]

I am not affiliated to any party I tend to vote for the party I feel is best of a bad bunch at the time. I agree with you about Johnson and co and Corbyn etc. that is why I didn't vote in the last election no one was worth my vote imo. But I am not in the anti everything camp because I don't like a particular government.
I must admit I have been impressed with Starmer at present, he seems to be saying all the right things, only time will tell. Mind you my old dad would be turning in his grave if he knew the Labour leader was a lawyer and with a title also.

Aside from any connotations people read into his title and legal background, Keir Starmer's dilemma is that the more he seeks to present himself as constructive and moderate to appeal to floating voters such as yourself, the more he will antagonise the hard-line element of Labour's support.

For example, the other day Starmer tweeted regarding the COVID-19 response: 'We want to support the Government to get this right and that is why we need a national consensus on what happens next'.

On face value this is a constructive sentiment (albeit obviously designed to suit Labour's agenda) but many of the responses to that Tweet were extraordinarily hostile, and it wasn't particularly from Tories. The most venomous and numerous attacks came from the Corbynista element accusing him of being a Tory in disguise. One poster suggested his Tweet should have finished after the first six words!

When you look back at the early days of Tony Blair it's amazing that he somehow managed to keep a good portion of the Left on board whilst moving the Labour Party so far to the right, but that consensus broke down with the Iraq War, and the venom of Left-wingers who felt betrayed from those days is still directed today at any Labour politician seen as 'Blairite' or 'moderate'.

Labour's problem is that the hardline socialists in the party are not numerous enough on their own to win General Elections, but they remain a significant portion of Labour's core support and tend to be some of their most vocal and energetic campaigners. It would be difficult if not impossible for Starmer to win an election without their support, but I don't think the Left will ever again be hoodwinked into compliance or relative silence like they were in the early Blair years.

[Elite_Pie]

For example, the other day Starmer tweeted regarding the COVID-19 response: 'We want to support the Government to get this right and that is why we need a national consensus on what happens next'.

On face value this is a constructive sentiment (albeit obviously designed to suit Labour's agenda) but many of the responses to that Tweet were extraordinarily hostile, and it wasn't particularly from Tories. The most venomous and numerous attacks came from the Corbynista element accusing him of being a Tory in disguise.

I see that as a good thing. The sooner the hard left element of the Labour party either resign or get kicked out the better. I've said it before, if Momentum want to pursue their extreme agenda they should do so as the Momentum party and not pollute the Labour party. Regarding Starmer, he has to perform a difficult balancing act at the current time. He needs to attack the numerous government failings, but without appearing to be point scoring or damaging the national interest.

I think he's done a reasonable job of it so far, but so he should against such weak opposition.

[pingu_pie]

Correct. I once saw him down the match wearing his red 'Make America Great' hat.

Hmm. That makes me a US Army Master Sergeant then.

From which I can only assume you mean you have a great deal of respect for me and agree with what I wrote...