OT. Schools...normality and Coronavirus.

[mistaram]

Morning all.

It is a fact of life, that many people in jobs do so with an effect of risk or injury/death on a daily basis.
Whilst every effort is made to protect, no risk can ever be eliminated.
As a miner, I was injured a few times. Never lost a limb though, or (obviously) my life. I know people who did.

Corona has brought that day to day risk to everyone in any job now.
The odds of dying from it, are still lower than being killed by lightning or a meteorite.
Remove the vulberable from the equation and move on, as best we can.
If we don't, many more in the long term are going to suffer or die from a variety of reasons, with the economic doom coming.
As I mentioned earlier. Already stated that they expect around 20- 25 000 cancer patients to now die due to lack of medical care.
They expected hospitals to be sinking and people dying in corridors. It hasn't happened.

I still expect a second wave as other countries are starting to do so. Like it or lump it, this virus will have its way.

The odds of dying from it are still lower than being killed by lightening or a meteorite Have those two things killed 35,000 in the UK these last 10 weeks . If so nobody has told the press

[Trickytreesreds]

The odds of dying from it are still lower than being killed by lightening or a meteorite Have those two things killed 35,000 in the UK these last 10 weeks . If so nobody has told the press

WOAH, hang on a minute.
How many of those 30 000 were actually killed by Corona?
Not as many as that.
As I said earlier, an old work friend of mine lost her mum to it? She was 92 FFS. Corona/cold/cough/the clap? Anything could have killed her. The virus has been catagorised as a new Black Death. It isn't nothing like.

This is a letter from a guy in Dorset. I'll leave his name out.

My mother dies last week in a carehome at the age of 98. When my brother registered her death, as expected it was registered as frailty due to old age. He was later surprised to see that the doctor certifying her death had added "presumed Covid 19", an inclusion which later shocked the homes manager.

The day before my mother died, my briother was allowed to sit with her for an hour. His temp was checked before being admitted, but there was no form of isolation.
If doctors are attributing all deaths in care homes to Covid 19, it makes a nonsense of all statistics and does great reputational damage to both individual care homes and the care industry as a whole.

I gather the point being, even if Covid was the last straw. Anything could have done away with his mother.
So, are we all going to hide away forever and if so, who is paying for it?

[MadAmster]

WOAH, hang on a minute.
How many of those 30 000 were actually killed by Corona?
Not as many as that.
As I said earlier, an old work friend of mine lost her mum to it? She was 92 FFS. Corona/cold/cough/the clap? Anything could have killed her. The virus has been catagorised as a new Black Death. It isn't nothing like.

This is a letter from a guy in Dorset. I'll leave his name out.

My mother dies last week in a carehome at the age of 98. When my brother registered her death, as expected it was registered as frailty due to old age. He was later surprised to see that the doctor certifying her death had added "presumed Covid 19", an inclusion which later shocked the homes manager.

The day before my mother died, my briother was allowed to sit with her for an hour. His temp was checked before being admitted, but there was no form of isolation.
If doctors are attributing all deaths in care homes to Covid 19, it makes a nonsense of all statistics and does great reputational damage to both individual care homes and the care industry as a whole.

I gather the point being, even if Covid was the last straw. Anything could have done away with his mother.
So, are we all going to hide away forever and if so, who is paying for it?

I've posted this before but I'll post it again, Tricky.

In 2002 I had 2 stents put in my 100% blocked left coronary artery. I see the cardio once a year and my local health centre also once a year, 6 months apart from the cardio. My stats come back perfect.

I have been on meds for high blood pressure since then and measure my BP regularly. 117 over 74 yesterday afternoon. 123 over 80 this morning. No problems there.

Idem ditto on meds for cholestorol. For years my blood tests have shown healthy cholestorol levels.

A few years back I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnoea. 28 breathing stops per hour, average length 23 seconds. Longest was 52 seconds. They only measure stops in excess of 10 seconds. In total I was not breathing for between 15 and 20 minutes of every hour I slept. Since then I have been on a CPAP every night and I now average 1.5 stops per hour and the machine spots it and immediately forces air into my lungs. All is well.

I also have the problem that I am 6 inches too short for my weight. Another issue.

However, there is good news. As I said my stats are all good. On top of that I ref 2 or 3 times a month and keep up with play. Most of the players are in their mid 20s. 4 weeks ago I got my racing bike out and cycle 3 or 4 times a week. Started with a 22Km ride, slowly going further and this weekend (or maybe even tomorrow) I will de doing a 50K ride at an average of 20mph. I am very fit despite all the above.

The above also puts me firmly in the "at risk" group. Current estimates is that I should reach the 82 years my pension is based on quite easily and carry on further. Now, if I were to catch CV-19 tomorrow and die a week later, it would be CV-19 that killed me, not the underlying conditions. If I hadn't caught CV-19, then I wouldn't have got sick and died. The underlying conditions might have speeded things up but they wouldn't be the cause of my dying, it would have been CV-19. That is the point.

[swaledale]

I've posted this before but I'll post it again, Tricky.

In 2002 I had 2 stents put in my 100% blocked left coronary artery. I see the cardio once a year and my local health centre also once a year, 6 months apart from the cardio. My stats come back perfect.

I have been on meds for high blood pressure since then and measure my BP regularly. 117 over 74 yesterday afternoon. 123 over 80 this morning. No problems there.

Idem ditto on meds for cholestorol. For years my blood tests have shown healthy cholestorol levels.

A few years back I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnoea. 28 breathing stops per hour, average length 23 seconds. Longest was 52 seconds. They only measure stops in excess of 10 seconds. In total I was not breathing for between 15 and 20 minutes of every hour I slept. Since then I have been on a CPAP every night and I now average 1.5 stops per hour and the machine spots it and immediately forces air into my lungs. All is well.

I also have the problem that I am 6 inches too short for my weight. Another issue.

However, there is good news. As I said my stats are all good. On top of that I ref 2 or 3 times a month and keep up with play. Most of the players are in their mid 20s. 4 weeks ago I got my racing bike out and cycle 3 or 4 times a week. Started with a 22Km ride, slowly going further and this weekend (or maybe even tomorrow) I will de doing a 50K ride at an average of 20mph. I am very fit despite all the above.

The above also puts me firmly in the "at risk" group. Current estimates is that I should reach the 82 years my pension is based on quite easily and carry on further. Now, if I were to catch CV-19 tomorrow and die a week later, it would be CV-19 that killed me, not the underlying conditions. If I hadn't caught CV-19, then I wouldn't have got sick and died. The underlying conditions might have speeded things up but they wouldn't be the cause of my dying, it would have been CV-19. That is the point.

Ah yes but 56,000 on average die each year from a respiratory disease, we don't get all uptight about that do we?

[MadAmster]

Ah yes but 56,000 on average die each year from a respiratory disease, we don't get all uptight about that do we?

I'm not uptight, merely explaining to Tricky why he is wrong about cause of death of those with underlying health issues who subsequently get CV-19 and die NOT being CV-19 in many cases.

The difference between CV-19 and a lot of the annual respiratory deaths is that the "others" are not caused by a contagious virus that you can pass on to others.

[ramAnag]

Ah yes but 56,000 on average die each year from a respiratory disease, we don't get all uptight about that do we?

I really don’t understand this attitude from an otherwise intelligent poster.

What has the fact that 56,000 die each year from a respiratory disease, or that 1800 die annually in traffic accidents got to do with anything?

The fact is we are in the midst of a pandemic which has killed 35,000 people in this country over the last nine weeks!

You can put forward an argument for fighting Coronavirus via a totally different route if you wish, but at least be honest about it, because what you really seem to be saying is that you accept a ‘survival of the fittest situation’ which sees a viral ‘culling’ of the old, the sick, those with underlying health conditions, the diabetic, overweight middle aged males, people of BAME origin etc.

If it were remotely possible to attribute political characteristics to a virus, it is rapidly assuming the appearance of something Hitler and the Nazis would have wholeheartedly approved of, but it seems most un-Swale like to be so hell bent on putting profit and economic recovery - however important that undoubtedly is - before people’s lives.

P.S. Tricky, not having a go, just interested. I thought you were ‘working’ as a volunteer for the NHS. Surely the health connotations you describe should prevent that.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I've just been in contact with my friend who's on the teaching staff at a local primary school.

The head called a meeting of all staff to discuss the measures about the restarting of the school. 5 teachers refused to even attend the meeting. Of those that did when asked to do 3 days a week, a number refused to work Mondays and Fridays.

To say that my friend was pulling her hair out, was an under statement.

Ah, they want long weekends eh? Maybe they need extra time off to go to the shops or the hairdressers to watch real people put some effort in for the country's future......

[Geoff Parkstone]

The odds of dying from it are still lower than being killed by lightening or a meteorite Have those two things killed 35,000 in the UK these last 10 weeks . If so nobody has told the press

I think those odds were based on 2018 figures, Mista!

[mistaram]

I think those odds were based on 2018 figures, Mista!

Oh not like Tricky to miss quote 😂

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well Tricky has a point:

In 2016 there was the first ever reported death anywhere in the world (in India) due to a meteorite strike.

Between 1987 and 2016 there were 58 fatalities due to being struck by lightning in the UK alone, globally there were an average of over 4,000 pa in 2016

On the other hand in the full period from 1900 to 2016 there were no reported global deaths from Covid 19

So clearly, during a thunder storm, your best place of refuge is on a Covid 19 ICU wearing no PPE.