O/T Most tiresome poster

[magpie_mania]

I've never given the toss of a coin what you have to say.

I know that. I don't actually care! Just can't see why you have to be abusive.

[Ayeayeskipper]

I know that. I don't actually care! Just can't see why you have to be abusive.

"I don't actually care". Now, that hurt......go away please.

[magpie_mania]

I'm not 'pro-Ardley' per se but I'm open to giving him time as I feel he's doing a decent job. Not spectacular but certainly not bad. If I had to choose a label or pigeonhole to be 'pro' something I'd say I was 'pro-stability for Notts' which involves not changing the manager more frequently than changing your underpants, as had become the embarrassing pattern previously which has ultimately ended up with us in Division 5 (In conjunction with other issues obviously, such as AH).

ETA: Incidentally, I think the 'people that got Nolan sacked' were mainly Kevin Nolan.

Sorry, but if you post anything that gives even a hint of anything positive about him, you are pro-Ardley.

[laddo]

It would be great if we had a manager poached away from us from a club in higher division because that would mean we were doing something right, we were being successful.

Obviously Chelsea wanted Warnock. Bolton wanted and got Allardyce. Who since Big Sam? Clearly our best two managers in the last 30 years.

I would love it if we became managerial unstable for positive reasons instead of the actual reasons we've seen far too often. History shows us all that changing managers so often hasn't and doesn't work. We've tried that trick far too often.

Without doubt you can stabilise and be poor. It's wasted time if you just stick with someone for the sake of it.

One of our problems has been is we haven't given enough managers enough time to find out if they are good or not.

[upthemaggies]

A fact that I don't think has been pointed out on here before. Allardyce, Warnock, Sirrel, Frank Hill and Eric Houghton all got Notts promoted in their first full season in charge. The only other post war promotion was Munto, the most unstable season of all time.

Horace Henshall (1927-1934) is the only manger we ever stuck with that won a promotion after his first full season and that only came after he'd got us relegated beforehand and we ended up no better off.

Stability has never worked at Notts unless the manager has proved himself within 18 months.

Fullarton would get Notts promoted from this level given an indefinite amount of time, but then what?

[Bartlett's Dust]

Going back a few years but KISSOFDEATH was pretty damn annoying. But then he was a Forrist fan so he clearly had issues anyway.

[KCNotts]

Kewell aside, who was effectively a caretaker for the time he lasted, the past 4 years has been among the most stable at Notts in terms of managers post Sirrel, and yet we're now stuck at the lowest level we've ever been.

What if a manager was poached half way or two thirds of a way through the season and the club still went up? That's not stability but it would be the preferable option, given the choice.

You can stabalise and do poorly, as we did with McP until Munto came in and then sacked him.

It's a meaningless buzzword devoid of any context. Successful clubs at lower levels will often struggle to hang on to their manager. Wishing for stability is just as likely a wish for mediocrity. You want stability in the boardroom but where it matters you want to uproot trees and make things happen. I don't see Ardley doing that, he's too nice to do that. The biggest problem I have with him is that he is a nice person, I'd feel much more confident about Notts going up if we had somebody who was a bit of a ****.

Great post this.

Cotterill came in during the most turbulent season in recent history and got us romping the league. He galvanised a good squad of players with the correct tactics, organisation and attitude.

Ardley is a really nice guy and it makes criticising him feel wrong at times...until you remember that this is not a personality contest and that being nice wins you nothing.

It still blows my mind that he was part of the Crazy Gang at Wimbledon.

[upthemaggies]

It still blows my mind that he was part of the Crazy Gang at Wimbledon.

I'd associate the Crazy Gang with Dave Bassett's time as manager and Bobby Gould when they won the FA Cup. The nickname stuck because it was Wimbledon but by the time Ardley made his debut Ray Harford or Peter Withe was in charge and Ardley made most of his appearances in the latter half of the 90s into the 00s under Joe Kinnear, playing at other club's grounds (Crystal Palace for the most part).
So I'm not sure he's absorbed much of that mentality, he certainly doesn't play like it.

[laddo]

Come on Pete you know the rules better than most. If we win it was lucky or due to the players. If we lose it was the manager's fault

It's an easy rule to follow each week.

[countygump]

Come on Pete you know the rules better than most. If we win it was lucky or due to the players. If we lose it was the manager's fault

It's an easy rule to follow each week.

Only on NCM.