Give the manager more time

[nw6pie]

I don’t think anyone was less enamoured with the appointment of Maynard than I was but Slack and Jackal both make very good points. We can’t go back to chopping and changing so quickly like we used to, and if the season is gone now then another 5 to 10 games will give us a much broader picture of Maynards abilities, or lack of, and the owners will be able to make a much better balanced opinion.

Of course, Maynard desperately needs a win or some kind of result asap to stop the fan base descending in even more chaos.

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Are Notts fans particularly prone to turning on the team and club quickly or is it just a football fan thing?

I think a problem we have as Notts fans is a tendency to go straight for the nuclear option - demands to sack the manager, sack the CEO, sack the tea lady/person, etc - even though that approach rarely works. Sacking the manager should be the last option, not the first one.

[hissingdwarf]

I think a problem we have as Notts fans is a tendency to go straight for the nuclear option - demands to sack the manager, sack the CEO, sack the tea lady/person, etc - even though that approach rarely works. Sacking the manager should be the last option, not the first one.

Agreed. Historically we have been like that. Just like every other club, up and down the land.

And in this instance, we’re all looking at a guy who was stuck up a BT pole a few months ago and pro (allegedly) footballers who obviously don’t respect him.
We need a manager who is going to demand more. Demand physicality. Demand effort.
And so far, Maynard doesn’t seem to be that guy.

[Woodypie]

Yes, what's the worst that could happen?

[irish_pie]

Could be worse, could still be in the National League.

Could be heading back there under this lot 😞 I hope I'm wrong of course

[nottsun]

'give him more time' 'get rid now' 'its the players arn't good enough' 'the slide started before the new manager'

all the old oft repeated views have merit

I'm not football savvy, nor wise on any matters: but.. I am old and seen a lot of life's mien.

This chap is the wrong man, at this club, at this time. The 'feel good factor, seldom comes, if ever. It's about to go.

[Togtastic]

If Maynard jumps or if he were pushed, the following would still be true:
We have 4 keepers, probably the best of which is on loan
Brindley & Cameron are terrified of contact
Rawlo - knows what to do but can't do it
Baldwin - is as thick as mince
Nemane is a winger who can't cross

We rely on:
Jones crosses
McGoldricks nouse
Macca's finishing
Crowley's imagination
JOB's enthusiasm

Everyone else - just plodding along

[optipez]

Success and failure are both collective. Nobody should be immune from constructive criticism when things aren't going well, but getting the pitchforks out and looking for one person to blame doesn't help either.

So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.
Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.

[jackal2]

So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.

Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.

Funnily enough I actually heard some old fart shout "Sack the board" at the Reedtz brothers when we let the third goal in against Crewe, although I remember his long, thin miserable face from a few years ago when he was a contributor to the toxic atmosphere then as well. The kind of brainless so-called 'fan' who could best serve the club by p*ssing off and never coming back.

As you say, tough times right now and there needs to be collective responsibility for the bad times just as there was for the good times, but blowing up everything would indeed be destructive and possibly fatal. We're on a bad run of results and confidence is low - it happens in football - and while the fans' frustration is understandable it shouldn't be allowed to turn into something hostile against a regime that saved the club and delivered us back into the Football League. The whole club needs to use the current experience as a learning opportunity with a view to becoming better and stronger next season. No success was ever achieved without going through adversity.

[Kent Magpie]

So far it seems we want the manager and coaches out, recruitment head out and now the chief exec. Not long now until some will want the Bros out.
Blowing everything up is just destructive. I suspect what we really need is Matty Palmer, an upgrade on Nemane as a wing back and two or at least one dominant centre half who can organise the defence and a big competent keeper.
Maynard is chopping and changing after we are leaking goals. I've written before how many games we've been behind within 15 minutes, it took 5 last night and against Crewe. We've got no chance of being successful like that, it's like playing with a handicap.

I think that this points out to the fact that there is a cumulation of things, not just one. Personally, I don't think any drastic personnel changes are needed, but some lessons taking on board and implementing and some support for SM as he tries to get to grips with things. If it is true that JoB is a more qualified coach, then I can see this being an issue unless they bring him more into the coaching team.

One thing I find interesting is that in football the first reaction is to sack the manager, but in reality there are multiple reasons for things going wrong and as a result replacing the manager doesn't ultimately solve the issue, and at best papers over the cracks. We saw that with Trew and Hardy, where they were the root cause of the issues. I think that our owners have moved beyond that and will look to see where all the issues are before deciding what needs to be done (including replacing the manager), which I think is the right approach.

I don't think the CEO needs to go, but I do think the culture has changed (not necessarily for the worse, just changed) and this will cause disruption and realignment. There has been a lot of upheaval off the field in the last 12 months, so is to be expected, but while things were going reasonably well it was hidden. Now things are going wrong elsewhere and so this changing culture will exacerbate things, which is what I think we are seeing in terms of cohesion on and off the field.

It wouldn't surprise me to see significant changes over the summer and going into 2025. I don't think our owners will change everything all at once, but one or two things at a time and see what the effects are and I suspect SM isn't the first thing in the firing line (at this point in time).

[sinophile]

It would be more useful if it was weighted to the league position of the opponents? SM has had a very difficult first few games (before last night).