O/T - general election 2019

[howdydoo]

So its ok for average performers with rich mums and dads to send them to uni? How is that fair? Why should an average rich kid have a better chance of a leg up than a poor kid?

I appeal to your sense of fairness in my question howdy...

I thought I was been fair. Basically if parents have paid for public schools, 100% make the parents/student pay for Uni fees. If you’ve made the grade and studied in state schools get it for free. Not if my kids go of course, take your £ of flesh. I’ll pay. Again. 😉

Let’s just stop sending every Tom, Dick and Harry to Uni. In many cases, it’s a clear waste of money.

Put it into the NHS or care.

[ragingpup]

I think your a couple french fries short of a happy meal with this post pup iv not called him a extremist at all that’s all propaganda (Lies that’s been twisted by a strand of truth) and I know that your probably quoting a previous quote and I ask you to re read it however I have called labour anti democratic lying sacks of crap who are no better than Tory’s and my opinion on that won’t change.

You say sticking prices up will have minimal effect? Don’t you remember when wage increased last time I do food prices shot up. If you want to increase money to the people you have to do it from two sides high wage and discounted fuel for lorry’s for example. You can’t tax the rich and expect the normal people not to feel a backlash you have to balance the scales, yes there are ways to do it look at the drug companies in us they want more money yes it will increase the price of drugs but if we had free trade with USA the taxes we would save would balance it out. Without balance in economy giving £10 in minimum wage will ether see prices going up or 1 in 4 people fired to make the wage limit.

Don’t believe me then name me a major business that didn’t make as much as the year before and kept the same amount of stores and staff? THERE ISNT ONE. It’s always the people who take a cut not the rich no matter what

As for his stance on brexit a referendum on a customs/ close ties with EU and remain is the same fking thing that’s why I’m so against it. It’s deal or no deal there’s no way I’m supporting a ny form of remain

I took it that your list of manifesto commitments was in reply to my asking for manifesto examples of extremist labour policies. So I assume that was your intent.

No I don't remember food prices shooting up at the last time the minimum wage was introduced, so I've researched it and found that the answer (according to reasonably impartial sources) appears to be minimal. And then of course, you have the boost of additional spending power for these people which is what may help balance negative impact out.

But anyhoo, the question was about whether such a policy was "extremist" - and of course interesting to know that in 4 years time, the conservatives are promising to become "extremist" on this issue too. And Boris wouldn't tell fibs on this would he?

Interesting that your talking about taxing the rich - who are you counting as rich? What amount are Labour pledging to tax the rich based on the last manifesto? I think it was a small amount, much less than many other countries including some of our closest EU neighbours. Are they "extremists" now as well? I understand the logistics of taxing too much = costs in other areas (had long dull debates on this) and it is something that of course has to be balanced. Incidentally, I would be affected and pay more under the Labour last election proposals. If reasonable, progressive and linked to public services, most people say that they are happy to pay a bit more tax. Are they all "extremists" too?

[KerrAvon]

Dear Raging,

Silly is quite right that we can’t be expected to comment upon the contents of a manifesto that is yet to be published. I can give you a couple of examples of policy announcements at Labour Party conferences that I consider to be extreme, however:

The part nationalisation of every decent sized public company in the UK – you will recall the announcement that every public company with 250 or more employees is to be taken into 10% state ownership.

The banning of private schools – although I suspect that this one won’t make it into the manifesto after Labour focus groups point out that not every private school is Eton and that a lot of the 8% of parents who choose to have their children privately educated scrimp and save to do it (whilst paying taxes that fund state education).

And why are you getting so upset about extreme? Corbyn himself says that he will pursue a ‘radical’ programme. The last time I looked, radical and extreme were synonyms of each other.

On the subject of Corbyn, did you grab his gig at Battersea today? Do you buy into the class warfare stuff about the elite? It’s all a bit student union debating society don’t you think?

That being said, if the Tories continue to bang on about Brexit and only Brexit, they risk having another ‘strong and stable' moment.

[Silly-miller]

I took it that your list of manifesto commitments was in reply to my asking for manifesto examples of extremist labour policies. So I assume that was your intent.

Interesting that your talking about taxing the rich - who are you counting as rich? What amount are Labour pledging to tax the rich based on the last manifesto?

No I wasn’t quoting you I didn’t mention your name nor did I quote you, I was posting on the speech corbyn made this morning a lot of which he used against may in last election.

Secondly I wasn’t talking about taxing rich I was talking about how labour and Tory’s could support the increase in wage without people losing their jobs. Lower fuel costs tax reductions or something else.

Third as for food no food or drink goes up over night they do it gradually one way is to put prices up after a lot of offers on that product another is to lower the quantity of the food you must have noticed how small things like chocolate bars are now? Or if Machines are cheaper they fire people.

Min wage now is £8.21 that’s £32,840 a week for 100 people at £10.50 A hour that goes up to £42,000 a week for 100 people, no matter who gets in no 10 the money will have to come from somewhere that’s all I’m saying

[KerrAvon]

Fear not the Free market will decide

That's exactly right, Zyles.

I agree with the notion of a living wage (if only to end the absurdity of taking tax from companies to give to their employees in in-work benefits) but we do have to bear in mind that if a company has to pay a worker in the UK three times what he has to pay to one in, say, Slovakia he might make the choice to offshore his work. And, of course, there would be no prospects of using tariffs to try to protect against that if we follow the Labour line (insofar as it is possible to say what that is) and stay aligned with the Single Market

Some work can't be offshored of course - catering, hospitality or warehouse work for example, but that type of job tends to be low skilled and low paid. On that point, some people who say that the Minimum Wage had not effect on the UK economy are the same who complain about the growth of ZHCs and the gig economy. Coincidence? Maybe...

[Silly-miller]

That being said, if the Tories continue to bang on about Brexit and only Brexit, they risk having another ‘strong and stable' moment.

Hahahaha good one Kerr 😂 May was as strong as stable as frogs dodgy leg last year

[KerrAvon]

I thought I was been fair. Basically if parents have paid for public schools, 100% make the parents/student pay for Uni fees. If you’ve made the grade and studied in state schools get it for free. Not if my kids go of course, take your £ of flesh. I’ll pay. Again. ��

Let’s just stop sending every Tom, Dick and Harry to Uni. In many cases, it’s a clear waste of money.

Put it into the NHS or care.

Tuition fees are a form of progressive taxation. People who choose to go to university and do well out of it are likely to pay back their loans in full. Those who fail to benefit and end up in low paid jobs may end up paying back virtually nothing before it is written off.

We do send too many kids to university. In part it’s a sort of intellectual snobbery that pervades in this country where an academic education is valued over a technical or vocational one. We need engineers, plumbers and bricklayers just as much as we do doctors and even lawyers.

[howdydoo]

Tuition fees are a form of progressive taxation. People who choose to go to university and do well out of it are likely to pay back their loans in full. Those who fail to benefit and end up in low paid jobs may end up paying back virtually nothing before it is written off.

We do send too many kids to university. In part it’s a sort of intellectual snobbery that pervades in this country where an academic education is valued over a technical or vocational one. We need engineers, plumbers and bricklayers just as much as we do doctors and even lawyers.

Believe me, I know.

Many of these kids are being sold a pup.

[Exiletyke]

Tuition fees are a form of progressive taxation. People who choose to go to university and do well out of it are likely to pay back their loans in full. Those who fail to benefit and end up in low paid jobs may end up paying back virtually nothing before it is written off.

We do send too many kids to university. In part it’s a sort of intellectual snobbery that pervades in this country where an academic education is valued over a technical or vocational one. We need engineers, plumbers and bricklayers just as much as we do doctors and even lawyers.

I can think of one kid too many we sent to university
Resulting in the worst form of snobbery

[flourbasher]

There are so many places available at Uni that a lot of well off families can send their kids there even if it,s a bit of a waste. They,ve got the cash and there,s so many places available for both rich and poor then they say why not. Less well off families might say no even if there,s a place available because of the cost.

Two of my neighbours sons went to Uni and one did Film Studies and the other Russian Studies. One now works as a tour guide in Berlin and the other teaches English in Shanghai. Both have ridiculously high debts