Are the media biased

[Geoff Parkstone]

Der, "death" bloody spell checker

[Ram59]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39570283]Ram, firstly...it’s good to be able to discuss things from such a different perspective without recourse to abuse or inanity...but beyond that we’ll have to continue to disagree.

It's great that we can agree on something, even if it is agreeing to disagree.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to be over critical of someone's actions that were neither illegal nor immoral at the time they committed them. Who knows what current great people's actions will be condemned far into the future.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Ram59;39570496]

Ram, firstly...it’s good to be able to discuss things from such a different perspective without recourse to abuse or inanity...but beyond that we’ll have to continue to disagree.

It's great that we can agree on something, even if it is agreeing to disagree.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to be over critical of someone's actions that were neither illegal nor immoral at the time they committed them. Who knows what current great people's actions will be condemned far into the future.

I fully accept that legality may be determined by time, Ram.
Do you honestly think morality is?

Look at the conditions the slaves had to cope with. Can you honestly say that wasn’t immoral, that no one recognised it was wrong?
Jump forward hundreds of years...the actions of the Nazis towards the Jews were legal because of the law maker...but regardless of legality no one can surely argue that they weren’t morally unacceptable.

[Trickytreesreds]

So where does morality and legality end?

The pyramids/ Rome etc were all built legally by slaves. Morality wasn't considered then and isn't now with its relics.
You can't change the past, but you can acknowledge it and learn from it. Change things for the future. Outrage and re writing it solves nothing.

But if slavery is so abhorrant, why does the teachings of Islam neither ignore or condemn it. It is still apart of Sharia teachings.

Slavery has occured and still occurs in every corner of the world. But there is a definite culture of selective slavery condemnation from one part of the world. As well as targetting one ethnic culture for its participation, whilst ignoring all others. WHY?

[ramAnag]

The Pyramids and Rome are entirely irrelevant. If you pulled down everything that had been built via God awful working conditions there’d be little left from certain eras.
This is about individuals being put on a pedestal, both literally and metaphorically, as being amongst the ‘great and the good’...then when you discover the truth, i.e. that they were far from what they/their supporters wanted everyone to believe, removing the tribute.
History is littered with examples of statues/tributes that have been removed when perspectives have changed...Colston, and the Confederate Generals are just the latest examples.

[Trickytreesreds]

Thats rubbish. The artifacts of Tutenkhamen are shown around the world. The living god of a people enslaving a race.
Does anyone deny/or demand justice for this outrage in Egypt? No.
Statues / busks of Caligula still exist today. Recognised as Romes most brutal and evil emporer ever. Slaves/ Christians butchered for amusement. Destroyed and removed ? No.

History is history. Explanations and education is called for.
At the moment this is being very selective about African slavery and the great satan is GB and USA.
Most of Europe was part of the slave trade and world played its part. Africa itself, the muddle east, the far east, south America. No such out rage to the monuments sy=till erected there.
We have our past. Its dark in places, but we recognised that and played a major role in getting it reversed.
Yet this shame and guilt trip party is getting weird.

[ramAnag]

Thats rubbish. The artifacts of Tutenkhamen are shown around the world. The living god of a people enslaving a race.
Does anyone deny/or demand justice for this outrage in Egypt? No.
Statues / busks of Caligula still exist today. Recognised as Romes most brutal and evil emporer ever. Slaves/ Christians butchered for amusement. Destroyed and removed ? No.

History is history. Explanations and education is called for.
At the moment this is being very selective about African slavery and the great satan is GB and USA.
Most of Europe was part of the slave trade and world played its part. Africa itself, the muddle east, the far east, south America. No such out rage to the monuments sy=till erected there.
We have our past. Its dark in places, but we recognised that and played a major role in getting it reversed.
Yet this shame and guilt trip party is getting weird.

Thank you.

So start a campaign that demands justice for ‘outrages in Egypt’ or ‘outing’ Caligula if you feel so strongly about it.

Fact is the BLM protestors have targeted the statues of Colston and the Confederate Generals...you, like the Express, Mail and Sun, don’t support them...I do and I’ve explained why.

Whether you think it’s rubbish or not, it’s a fact that statues have been toppled as perspectives and ideals change and these are the most recent examples. The fact that it doesn’t fit well with you isn’t my problem.

[Trickytreesreds]

Thank you.

So start a campaign that demands justice for ‘outrages in Egypt’ or ‘outing’ Caligula if you feel so strongly about it.

Fact is the BLM protestors have targeted the statues of Colston and the Confederate Generals...you, like the Express, Mail and Sun, don’t support them...I do and I’ve explained why.

Whether you think it’s rubbish or not, it’s a fact that statues have been toppled as perspectives and ideals change and these are the most recent examples. The fact that it doesn’t fit well with you isn’t my problem.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrm, I'm not outraged by a few ancient bits of stone/bronze / marble
I have no desire to amplify it in any way, it's ancient history.
As said what's done is done. All you need to do is explain it properly.

If BLM is your bag, then that's your problem.
Never forget its main aims.
1. Defund, disband the police
2. Scrap capitalism
3. Abandon western values.

Not my words, theirs. On their websites.
If you think ripping down a few bits of stone and marble is the aim, you're away with the fairies.

USA first. A race war is being provoked by this group. With the armaments floating around over there, you'll get one.
There are some in this country trying their best to push us the same way. Sheep though are sheep and not all DCFC related.

[ramAnag]

Errrrrrrrrrrrrm, I'm not outraged by a few ancient bits of stone/bronze / marble
I have no desire to amplify it in any way, it's ancient history.
As said what's done is done. All you need to do is explain it properly.

If BLM is your bag, then that's your problem.
Never forget its main aims.
1. Defund, disband the police
2. Scrap capitalism
3. Abandon western values.

Not my words, theirs. On their websites.
If you think ripping down a few bits of stone and marble is the aim, you're away with the fairies.

USA first. A race war is being provoked by this group. With the armaments floating around over there, you'll get one.
There are some in this country trying their best to push us the same way. Sheep though are sheep and not all DCFC related.

You’re the one who introduced Egypt and Rome into things and spoke of ‘outrage in Egypt’ with your usual tactic of deflection.
It is, as you say ‘ancient history’ and, as I’ve said, scarcely relevant.

I’ve tried to stay on the issues of BLM, the media reaction and the reasons behind the targeting of certain statues, particularly - in this country - Colston’s.

I’d have thought the repeated shooting of black people in the USA was more likely to ‘provoke a race war’ than anything else, but the real question is...is it appropriate for statues of those associated with racist behaviour and - by any other name - white supremacy, to remain in any modern multicultural society?

Clearly we see things differently which must come as little surprise to anyone.

[mistaram]

To be fair, I forgot. I actually apologise for that. You and I can agree on that with the devil juice.

No problem mate and thank you